Violence in America- best video EVER

[Zimobog]

Burnsey said:

Anyway, it takes money to have the roads, community water systems, street lights, fire depts, cops, defense, etc. How would this be paid for without taxes?

18th century Question: "How are we going to get the crops out of the field without slaves? Who will feed these slaves if not the Master?"
18th century libertarian answer: "It doesn't matter. Slavery is wrong. Free them all."

It doesn't matter how any of things get paid for or how they happen without taxes. What matters is the principle that taxes are wrong as slavery.

Burnsey, I don't mean to direct my next comment at you personally.

Because many people lack the capacity to imagine life without the violent extraction of resources from the unwilling does not make taxation morally correct, or mean that we should not resist it.

Once upon a time, people could not imagine how society and the market would function without slaves. However, slavery is immoral and ended regardless of people being able to concieve of all possible results of emacipation.

[Crow]

Anyway, it takes money to have the roads, community water systems, street lights, fire depts, cops, defense, etc. How would this be paid for without taxes?

Bingo.

I would hope that someday we have a tax system that is more fair for all.

You and me both.

[Burnsey]

Interesting.

36 Obama aides owe $833,ooo in back taxes.

http://news.investors.com/politics-a...back-taxes.htm

This article gives a better picture: At the Executive Office of the President – encompassing 1,800 employees of the West Wing, the Office of Management and Budget, the National Security Council and the Office of U.S. Trade Representative, among others – 36 staffers, or 2 percent, owed a $833,970. The amount owed increased by almost $3,000 from the previous year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...KKJQ_blog.html

Anyway, it takes money to have the roads, community water systems, street lights, fire depts, cops, defense, etc. How would this be paid for without taxes? I would hope that someday we have a tax system that is more fair for all.

[Zimobog]

A fine example of crumbling statist infrastructure:

[CzechCzar]

Gimme ur moneyzz

[CzechCzar]

So theft is good?

[Zimobog]

A strange alternate universe where taxes drive the economy and violent flogging of subject slave races is normlz!

[Crow]

The realm of reality, my good sir

[CzechCzar]

What universe are you living in lolz

Taxes are what drive the economy. We're not living in 18th century America ...and even if we were, we still need revenue to run the country!

[Crow]

Either you're trolling me or you're way out there. Either way... I like it!

[Zimobog]

What good is any infrastructure when you have to beat people up to pay for it? It is built on the blood of your brothers and sisters.

[Crow]

Here is a short video about Bastiat's "Broken Window Fallacy".

Using that logic, we should stop paying for public works so we can all buy new suits while infrastructure deteriorates... Genius!

That video cracked me up. Got any more?

[Zimobog]

Here is a short video about Bastiat's "Broken Window Fallacy".

[Zimobog]

Taxes "tax" the economy. Taxes supress the economy by adding cost without benefit. Taxes prohibit capital growth in emergening sectors of the economy and prohibit competition.

If your position is that taxes are "redistributed" through out the economy, remember that there are costs that are never recovered: the cost of collecting, the cost of paying administrators and enforcers and their pensions, the costs of funding the political class. A large portion of what is collected never reaches the intended beneficiaries of the spending due to the high cost of confiscation.

Then there are the unseen losses: what might that money have done, what jobs might have been created, what new ventures and exchanges might people have done. The unseen losses are the toughest to gauge, but they exist. See Fredric Bastiat's "The Seen and the Unseen". You are only seeing what taxes are "spent" on, not what a person might have been spent that same money on, had they not been robbed of it.

Taxation and redistribution is the least efficent way for money and goods to circulate and grow in the economy.

Taxation, in order to force compliance, requires the initation of violence. It is, therefore, theft.

So what we have held up as "nessecary" (in the 18th century and the 21st) is an inefficient, violent, and economically damaging system of theft.
And no good can come of it.

[Crow]

Crow said:
Hell, being strange is fine.

So if I agree to not use "your" roads, than no one will come and collect taxes for the roads from me? Might be better if all "your" roads were toll roads.

You pay taxes for petrol.. So we'll get that money somehow!

Taxes are what drive the economy. We're not living in 18th century America ...and even if we were, we still need revenue to run the country!