Violence in America- best video EVER

[Zimobog]

Crow said:

There's a lot of strange things about Mr Crow

Hell, being strange is fine.

If you want to stop paying for the road system, then keep your vehicle off my roads; or I'll have to send those coppers (from the video) for a little visit

So if I agree to not use "your" roads, than no one will come and collect taxes for the roads from me? Might be better if all "your" roads were toll roads.

[Crow]

Whoopsy Daisy!

[truthwolf1]

Interesting.

36 Obama aides owe $833,ooo in back taxes.

http://news.investors.com/politics-a...back-taxes.htm

[Crow]

There's a lot of strange things about Mr Crow

If you want to stop paying for the road system, then keep your vehicle off my roads; or I'll have to send those coppers (from the video) for a little visit

[Zimobog]

What's strange about, Mr.Crow? We all learned it when we were small: don't take other people's stuff and keep your hands to yourself.

Somehow people forget that is still the rules, even if a guy has on a funny costume and a sparkley star.

[Crow]

You two crack me up with your strange ideologies

Wesley Snipes isn't a very good example... But for a moment there I thought you were going to cite Willie Nelson. He's "technically" an actor, and there was that charity auction that was held for him to regain what was seized.......... There, I gave you a freebie!

[Zimobog]

Bastiat's The Law is a great primer.
Can be had for a dollar.

[CzechCzar]

Wage garnishment is imposed when you *f&@! up* by not paying taxes, precisely the thing I am arguing we should be under no obligation to pay. It doesn't do anything to the argument at hand to point out this fact.

The actor's name was Wesley Snipes, I believe. Although I do not really see how my being able to name one famous person sent to prison should affect anything; many average joes are sent to prison each year for exactly the same thing.

Regarding economics and taxation... yeah, I was an econ major in college (cum laude), so I am not completely ignorant. Government was funded through tariffs until the 20th century. A tariff is much more philosophically defensible than an income tax, for reasons I won't get into here.

Zimobog, yes, yes, yes! I would add some elementary Bastiat and Spooner. von Mises maybe, if you can cut through the German translation; his writings are heavy.

Wage garnishment is imposed only when you **** up.

........... and this actor's name is???

If you can't grasp the concept of taxation, then I don't know what else to say... Except to suggest reading some books on taxation and economics.

I think we understand taxation well enough. It is the forcible removal of property under threat of violence. Either that, or it is voluntary.

There is no economic appeal for taxation. Taxes are not economic transactions. Economic transactions are voluntary! If CzechCzar decides not to buy a Big Mac, can the manager of McDonald's pursue him, beat him, imprison him, or take his money?

There exists today a violent coercive monoply which imprisons, beats, and kills your brothers and sisters in the name of defense, police, schools, and charity. I wont legitimize the use of force against innocent people to pay for my own safety or life, or to enforce my own choices about what other people choose to put in their own bodies.

If you want to read books on taxation and economics, I'd recommend:
The Road to Serfdom by Hayek.

Man, Economy, and the State by Rothbard

Basic Economics by Sowell

[Zimobog]

I think we understand taxation well enough. It is the forcible removal of property under threat of violence. Either that, or it is voluntary.

There is no economic appeal for taxation. Taxes are not economic transactions. Economic transactions are voluntary! If CzechCzar decides not to buy a Big Mac, can the manager of McDonald's pursue him, beat him, imprison him, or take his money?

There exists today a violent coercive monoply which imprisons, beats, and kills your brothers and sisters in the name of defense, police, schools, and charity. I wont legitimize the use of force against innocent people to pay for my own safety or life, or to enforce my own choices about what other people choose to put in their own bodies.

If you want to read books on taxation and economics, I'd recommend:
The Road to Serfdom by Hayek.

Man, Economy, and the State by Rothbard

Basic Economics by Sowell

[Crow]

That's the thing - the government is holding a gun to my head, your head, all of our heads.

Wage garnishment can be imposed at the IRS' will.

Wage garnishment is imposed only when you **** up.

If you don't make a wage, they can imprison you. (This happened to an actor awhile back...) Imprisoning you is depriving you of part of your life and liberty (holding a gun to your head).

........... and this actor's name is???

No one has provided an ontologically justifiable basis for taxation - y'all are arguing about the petty details.

If you can't grasp the concept of taxation, then I don't know what else to say... Except to suggest reading some books on taxation and economics.

[CzechCzar]

That's the thing - the government is holding a gun to my head, your head, all of our heads.

Wage garnishment can be imposed at the IRS' will. If you don't make a wage, they can imprison you. (This happened to an actor awhile back...) Imprisoning you is depriving you of part of your life and liberty (holding a gun to your head).

No one has provided an ontologically justifiable basis for taxation - y'all are arguing about the petty details.

Greedy bastard. Pay it forward, or I'll speper pray you and your entire family.



Yeah, we're holding a gun to your head alright..

[Crow]

Seriously, you would personally and violently mace Sirloot and his family. Knock, knock. Who's there? MACE MOTHERF$CKER!!!!

Hahaha! That wouldn't be my approach, but I envision it would go down something like this...........

[Zimobog]

Czechczar said:

So if a guy holds me up at gun point, but promises the money will be used for life-saving medical treatments, he's not really robbing me...

Nope, you instincts are correct: you are being robbed.

Sirloot said:

Best example when I pay "State Taxes" be it property or what have you .. a portion of that $ is going to fund public schools. I dont have kids and may never. Should I have that Tax forced on me?

You shouldn't have anything forced on you ever. The initiation of force is immoral. If you want to make a contribution to schools or anything else, please do. But no one should think they have the right to beat you, shoot you, mace you, or drag you from your home for not doing so.

[Zimobog]

Crow said:

I just threatened to spray Sirloot and his family with mace. I think that should answer your question.

Seriously, you would personally and violently mace Sirloot and his family. Knock, knock. Who's there? MACE MOTHERF$CKER!!!!

By what authority is a band of costumed men encouraged to do that which would be immoral for all others to do?
Since we now see that violence will be required to carry out the collection of taxes, we can see it for what it is: theft.
I say that any possible good one might wish to do with what they might obtain by violence is cancelled out by an illegitamate act of force. There can be no good in it, because it is theft.

Now, if someone were to resist another violently, she would be doing so justly since she did not initiate force upon the other.

If taxes, or fees, are paid voluntarily then there is nothing to say of them. But that those who refuse will be brutalized, kidnapped, tased, mased, shot, and clubbed shows that taxes are theft.

[Crow]

You aren't? What happens when the cops knock on your door, and you tell them to fsck off? Do they really just fsck off?! If so, I've been playing the game wrong.

You sure have!