Occupy Portland - Midnight Eviction - Live Stream

[shikitohno]

Well, I don't really mean to single out any particular candidate, but he seems to be the popular choice on this board. Just saying I see the Republican and Libertarian sorts doing the same things to their favourite candidates as the Democrats did with Obama, making them out to be a magical panaceae that'll have all our problems fixed as soon as he/she steps foot in the Oval Office. It was dumb when the Democrats did it, and it's just as stupid now that others are doing it. I can accept the fact that fixing things is going to probably lead to some rough times for a while, but it seems like most people are still pinning their hopes on a magical instant solution that'll get us out of trouble with little to no effort/sacrifices being made.

[lxskllr]

I can accept the fact that fixing things is going to probably lead to some rough times for a while, but it seems like most people are still pinning their hopes on a magical instant solution that'll get us out of trouble with little to no effort/sacrifices being made.

Oh, I'm under no illusion that things will immediately become perfect, but more as a start in the right direction. Honestly, full blown Ron Paul land /might/ be a bit too far in one direction, but I only say that because people are inherently assholes. My anarchist tendencies are always tempered by the thought of letting every jerkoff do what they want, without any greater responsibility than self enrichment. I think Ron Paul land would be a good reset point though, and things can be more finely tweaked starting from a point of freedom.


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Tangentially relevant...

[justintempler]

I heard AT&T and Citi Bank were offering to sponsor the rally in Detroit

Lots of Astroturf going on.

[sgreger1]

Sgreger, something tells me if you see a candidate who you like now voted into the white house, you'll be sorely disappointed about how bought out they already were, or how quickly the become corrupted if they weren't already. You put too much faith in politicians to actually do what you are told they want to do. I see all the people who bitch and moan about Obama doing the exact same thing with Ron Paul that the liberals did with Obama. "Oh my god, if he gets elected, magic. Everything will be better. What do you mean a large number of his planned actions are actually under Congress' authority? Shut up, you're just a hippy, Ron Paul's going to be different, I tell you." Don't be too disappointed when it dawns on you that Ron Paul and the others are politicians. They're most likely lying through their teeth, and at best making promises that can't be kept.

I am under no impression that anything would really change if Ron Paul got elected. My position is simply that Ron Paul has a long track record of being an honest person, going against the grain and generally not be too "bought out". That would all change if he became president like it always does, but the reason why I have slightly more faith in him than Obama is because he has stayed consistant over many years, and has a long voting record that I for the most part agree with.

Obama had like 2 years of experience and his voting record was not exactly stellar from my point of view, that is when he decided to vote something other than "present". I think my main hope is that Ron Paul has a very long and solid record of not selling out. He has proven himself over the years, he isn't just some random guy who gets elected based on some hundred million dollar media campaign trying to convince you he is different than other politicians. Ron Paul skips all of that and lets his voting record do the talking.


But everyone seems to change once they are president, I think they give them a special talk or something along the lines of "Don't think you run shit just because you're here now, enjoy your 4-8 years and don't make too many waves and no one will get hurt".

[lxskllr]

Paul's integrity is unimpeachable. I don't always agree with his personal views, but if he says something, you can believe it, and take him at his word.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-federal-money

[sgreger1]

Paul's integrity is unimpeachable. I don't always agree with his personal views, but if he says something, you can believe it, and take him at his word.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-federal-money

Yah, I don't like his opposition to net neutrality, or his views on abortion, but at least he is consistent and you know what to expect, i.e. he believes the states should handle both of those issues and neither should be federally mandated in either direction.

[lxskllr]

[truthwolf1]

Anybody will be better then Obama but it is not politically correct to say or vent otherwise. This is one of the big reasons I dont have much sympathy for the Occupy hippies. Bring a angry at Obama for bailing these people out poster and you will probably get beat up.