Occupy Portland - Midnight Eviction - Live Stream

[truthwolf1]

Anybody will be better then Obama but it is not politically correct to say or vent otherwise. This is one of the big reasons I dont have much sympathy for the Occupy hippies. Bring a angry at Obama for bailing these people out poster and you will probably get beat up.

[lxskllr]

[sgreger1]

Paul's integrity is unimpeachable. I don't always agree with his personal views, but if he says something, you can believe it, and take him at his word.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-federal-money

Yah, I don't like his opposition to net neutrality, or his views on abortion, but at least he is consistent and you know what to expect, i.e. he believes the states should handle both of those issues and neither should be federally mandated in either direction.

[lxskllr]

Paul's integrity is unimpeachable. I don't always agree with his personal views, but if he says something, you can believe it, and take him at his word.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-federal-money

[sgreger1]

Sgreger, something tells me if you see a candidate who you like now voted into the white house, you'll be sorely disappointed about how bought out they already were, or how quickly the become corrupted if they weren't already. You put too much faith in politicians to actually do what you are told they want to do. I see all the people who bitch and moan about Obama doing the exact same thing with Ron Paul that the liberals did with Obama. "Oh my god, if he gets elected, magic. Everything will be better. What do you mean a large number of his planned actions are actually under Congress' authority? Shut up, you're just a hippy, Ron Paul's going to be different, I tell you." Don't be too disappointed when it dawns on you that Ron Paul and the others are politicians. They're most likely lying through their teeth, and at best making promises that can't be kept.

I am under no impression that anything would really change if Ron Paul got elected. My position is simply that Ron Paul has a long track record of being an honest person, going against the grain and generally not be too "bought out". That would all change if he became president like it always does, but the reason why I have slightly more faith in him than Obama is because he has stayed consistant over many years, and has a long voting record that I for the most part agree with.

Obama had like 2 years of experience and his voting record was not exactly stellar from my point of view, that is when he decided to vote something other than "present". I think my main hope is that Ron Paul has a very long and solid record of not selling out. He has proven himself over the years, he isn't just some random guy who gets elected based on some hundred million dollar media campaign trying to convince you he is different than other politicians. Ron Paul skips all of that and lets his voting record do the talking.


But everyone seems to change once they are president, I think they give them a special talk or something along the lines of "Don't think you run shit just because you're here now, enjoy your 4-8 years and don't make too many waves and no one will get hurt".

[justintempler]

I heard AT&T and Citi Bank were offering to sponsor the rally in Detroit

Lots of Astroturf going on.

[lxskllr]

I can accept the fact that fixing things is going to probably lead to some rough times for a while, but it seems like most people are still pinning their hopes on a magical instant solution that'll get us out of trouble with little to no effort/sacrifices being made.

Oh, I'm under no illusion that things will immediately become perfect, but more as a start in the right direction. Honestly, full blown Ron Paul land /might/ be a bit too far in one direction, but I only say that because people are inherently assholes. My anarchist tendencies are always tempered by the thought of letting every jerkoff do what they want, without any greater responsibility than self enrichment. I think Ron Paul land would be a good reset point though, and things can be more finely tweaked starting from a point of freedom.


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Tangentially relevant...

[shikitohno]

Well, I don't really mean to single out any particular candidate, but he seems to be the popular choice on this board. Just saying I see the Republican and Libertarian sorts doing the same things to their favourite candidates as the Democrats did with Obama, making them out to be a magical panaceae that'll have all our problems fixed as soon as he/she steps foot in the Oval Office. It was dumb when the Democrats did it, and it's just as stupid now that others are doing it. I can accept the fact that fixing things is going to probably lead to some rough times for a while, but it seems like most people are still pinning their hopes on a magical instant solution that'll get us out of trouble with little to no effort/sacrifices being made.

[lxskllr]

Sgreger, something tells me if you see a candidate who you like now voted into the white house, you'll be sorely disappointed about how bought out they already were, or how quickly the become corrupted if they weren't already. You put too much faith in politicians to actually do what you are told they want to do. I see all the people who bitch and moan about Obama doing the exact same thing with Ron Paul that the liberals did with Obama. "Oh my god, if he gets elected, magic. Everything will be better. What do you mean a large number of his planned actions are actually under Congress' authority? Shut up, you're just a hippy, Ron Paul's going to be different, I tell you." Don't be too disappointed when it dawns on you that Ron Paul and the others are politicians. They're most likely lying through their teeth, and at best making promises that can't be kept.

Paul in office likely WON'T be better for me personally, and least not in a tangible sense. I do trust his ethics, and think his position will be better for the country as a whole. If Paul was allowed to do exactly what he wanted, things would be painful for awhile, and a lot of people wouldn't get what they want, but it would make us stronger as a country, and freer as a people. Freedom isn't cheap, but I'm willing to try paying the price. So far, I haven't been happy with the cost of slavery.

[shikitohno]

Sgreger, something tells me if you see a candidate who you like now voted into the white house, you'll be sorely disappointed about how bought out they already were, or how quickly the become corrupted if they weren't already. You put too much faith in politicians to actually do what you are told they want to do. I see all the people who bitch and moan about Obama doing the exact same thing with Ron Paul that the liberals did with Obama. "Oh my god, if he gets elected, magic. Everything will be better. What do you mean a large number of his planned actions are actually under Congress' authority? Shut up, you're just a hippy, Ron Paul's going to be different, I tell you." Don't be too disappointed when it dawns on you that Ron Paul and the others are politicians. They're most likely lying through their teeth, and at best making promises that can't be kept.

[sgreger1]

I have to agree with Lx, while I think they don't really know what they plan to accomplish (since occupying a park will not make corporations change how they do business or end government corruption), and most of the people at these events are people whom I generally would not agree with politically, I still fully support this because I think anything that gets citizens out in public saying "We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore" is a good thing.

I hope this keeps up for some time, and I hope eventually the government does something stupid like shoots someone Kent State style because that may be all we need to kick off a real revolt against the government (not that I want anyone injured but that's usually what it takes). I went to Occupy SF and it was mainly hippies talking about rediculous demands like "we're not leaving until the wealth is dristributed equally, until corporations stop running on greed, until healthcare and education are completely free." etc etc, but I think their hearts are in the right place. Kudos to them for going out there and protesting government and letting their voices be heard.


However, my general sentiment re: greedy corporations is that I don't blame a shark for smelling blood and going after it. In other words, I think any corruption in corporations is generally the fault of the government. Corporations are on a mandate to make as much money as they can and so they will use everything at their disposal to accomplish that, they are sharks tasked with finding blood and acquiring it. Government is supposed to be the regulating agency that makes sure the environment is ripe for businesses to be successfull but to also keep things "fair" in a sense, i.e. NOT PICKING THE WINNERS AND LOSERS (i'm looking at you Obama). I think a small but effective government could eliminate most of these problems. Right now government is too big and large central powers are inherently corrupt and it always ends the same way. It's too easy to be corrupt when you are but one head on a giant beast with many more heads, all of whom are vying for enough blood to sustain their particular head.

First step: Vote Obama out, vote Ron Paul or someone less corporate/bought out to replace him. If Obama wins 2012 than these protestors may as well go home, nothing is going to change.

[Joe234]

I live about 10 mins from their camp...went out to it while it was still their and found nothing but kids asking for communism. I thought the protest ended very well...no violence and the protestors were working with the police to clean up the park. drove by the park this morning and it is totally cleared out.

what part of oregon you live in joe?

The stagnant city of Salem

[sgreger1]

Oakland Mayor’s Legal Adviser Resigns Over Raid and Says: “Support Occupy Oakland, Not the 1% and its Government Facilitators”

Oakland Deputy Mayor Sharon Cornu has just resigned!


Police beat students at occupy Berkeley

[justintempler]

Adults who want to be taken seriously shouldn't use words like twinkles.

[EricHill78]

I heard AT&T and Citi Bank were offering to sponsor the rally in Detroit

They should make a bumper sticker "Life could be worse, you could live in Detroit"

LoL Joe that's cool.. gotta represent!