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  • tom502
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    • Feb 2009
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    #46

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    • GoVegan
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      • Oct 2009
      • 5603

      #47
      Interesting video Tom. Farrakhan does raise some valid points about the downside of being involved in a civil war and how the media is controlled. I saw some other news articles indicating that the rebels do not want our troops on the ground period. I guess they are using us to clear the way and then they are hoping we will leave when the job is done. We also have a tendency to support groups that are very extremist in nature and turn against us when they feel the time is right. The Contra's in South America and the Freedom Fighters of Afghanistan are a good example of this. I do not like the way though that Farrakhan polarizes groups against each other especially minorities. His style is the same as Bush, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. You are either with him or against him and there is not middle ground or room for compromise. Farakkhan makes a good case and then blows his own credibility with hate rhetoric.

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      • GoVegan
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        • Oct 2009
        • 5603

        #48
        Originally posted by sgreger1
        What do you mean old numbers? I just saw it in the news today, my bad though I didn't even realize the numbers in your post were different, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to argue about defunding NPR to save money while we are blowing our glorious load all over libya's face right now to the tune of billions. Either way your right, the united states is doing the same shit my company always does, they give the executives millions in bonuses and then fire the receptionist who makes 30k a year to "save money". We are burning giant piles of money and yet want to turn off Sesame Street? F#ck that.
        I agree - we could probably cut our military funding in half and still have an adequate defense system to protect our own borders. I just have a feeling that fighting things like a poor health care system, homelessness, poverty, unemployment and a poor educational system don't pay well for lobbyist and industry. If you took the cost of one cruise missile, be it 1/2 a million or 1 1/2 million and used it to fund a school we would see wonderful results. The federal government should greatly downsize and allow state and local governments to have more say in how things are funded.

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        • sgreger1
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          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #49
          Originally posted by danielan View Post
          I can't say that I am in favor of us getting involved with a civil war in the middle east. But neither am I in support of the Federal government paying for radio and tv stations. The public sector does a fine job of filling up the airways with radio and TV from coast to coast.

          If there is an interest in those programs the private sector will fill it or the public will continue to pay for this content via donations.

          NPR and public television are programs that have run their course - and did a good job of it. But they are not needed any more.
          I think it is a sin to even worry about such trivial matters while we are trillions in debt and involved in multiple wars. I dont want to hear about the penies we can save by cuttin a radio station until our trillion dollar wars are solved.

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          • Joe234
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            • Apr 2010
            • 1948

            #50
            Qaddafi's Compound Hit By Missiles, No Reported Injuries


            Published March 20, 2011 | FoxNews.com


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            The 4-story compound in downtown Tripoli that was home to Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi was demolished by missile attacks, according to reporters near the area.

            There was no known injuries at it remains unclear where the leader has been living since the no-fly zone was ordered.


            There were two circular holes in the roof, which is consistent with a missile strike, and rubble littered the street. It remains unclear when the strike occurred, reported Fox News’ Steve Harrigan.

            Pentagon official had previously said Sunday that the coalition “will not be going after Qaddafi.”

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            • GoVegan
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              • Oct 2009
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              #51
              This is Iraq all over again.

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              • Frosted
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                • Mar 2010
                • 5798

                #52
                This is going to be a complete and utter farce.

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                • Frosted
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                  • Mar 2010
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                  #53
                  Oh they're far enough away thank God. Shame about the French though.

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                  • GoVegan
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                    • Oct 2009
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by danielan View Post
                    No.

                    This is actually more pointless.

                    We badly need to replace Obama with Ron Paul in 2012.
                    I am not sure if Ron Paul is the answer to all of our problems but he would definitely be a refreshing change.

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                    • fishmeat
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                      • Feb 2011
                      • 767

                      #55
                      CNN reporting Gadhafi's compound in Tripoli lay in shambles Monday as the U.S. and allies worked to dilute the Libyan leader's strength. Gadhafi's whereabouts, however, are unknown.

                      So now he can follow in the footsteps of Osama and near get caught...yet we found Saddam hiding in a damn hole in the ground.

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                      • tom502
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                        • Feb 2009
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                        #56
                        This is another No-Win war, we can waste money and lives on. You think we'll ever be out of Iraq, Afganistan? Now Libya. So many killed, soldiers, and civilians, all for nothing, but war corporations profits and oil imperialism.

                        Personally, I would be ok with these wars if they were wars of conquest, with a victory. But these wars are wars of BS, with no end.

                        I think Obama has surpassed Bush, and Carter, and is now the worst.

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                        • sgreger1
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                          • Mar 2009
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                          #57
                          Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                          This is another No-Win war, we can waste money and lives on. You think we'll ever be out of Iraq, Afganistan? Now Libya. So many killed, soldiers, and civilians, all for nothing, but war corporations profits and oil imperialism.

                          Personally, I would be ok with these wars if they were wars of conquest, with a victory. But these wars are wars of BS, with no end.

                          I think Obama has surpassed Bush, and Carter, and is now the worst.

                          At least Alexander the great was smart enough to keep the spoils of the nations he conquered. We just go mess shit up and then spend our citizens tax dollars to pay companies to rebuild it. I would rather we go steal all the oil and then not worry about overthrowing governmetns and installing puppet regimes. At leas that way we get something out of our imperialism.

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                          • sgreger1
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                            • Mar 2009
                            • 9451

                            #58
                            Does anyone else find it odd that the french are leading the push and we are assisting them? This whole thing is odd from start to finish, I have a feelign this is all about a greater goal than just helping out Libya. We like to pretend that we are captain america but I doubt we are over there actually for the purpose of help. If history is any indicator that is.

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                            • Rattlesnake
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #59
                              If I were a good speculator, I would be a millionaire.

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                              • precious007
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                                • Sep 2010
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                                Does anyone else find it odd that the french are leading the push and we are assisting them? This whole thing is odd from start to finish, I have a feelign this is all about a greater goal than just helping out Libya. We like to pretend that we are captain america but I doubt we are over there actually for the purpose of help. If history is any indicator that is.
                                nobody knows all the details... but I guess it's a bigger interest........

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