U.S taking action in Lybia

[Frosted]

Not at the time. No Joe

[GoVegan]

The difference was that Saddam was not killing his citizens in mass at the time we invaded Iraq.

No but he was certainly offing people before we invaded. He ruled by fear Joe. You screw with Saddam or any part of his regime and you get your nuts stretched in a dungeon. The problem is that sometimes countries need leaders like that to hold the country together. I am not saying that is good or OK just that it is what it is. As far as Arab leader go he was pretty liberal in regards to women's rights and certain freedoms. Next to Saudi Arabia he looked quite liberal. Speaking of Arabs, how come the Arab league was demanding action in Libya yet it is the French and the USA who have been doing all the fighting so far? My guess is we are going to pay for all of this as well. Now we just need Obama to come out and tell us on live TV about how the oil money is going to finance this war. Mission accomplished!

[snusjus]

This is going to be Somalia all over again...

[Ainkor]

There are times when it is time to man up and stand up and there are times when it's none of our damn business. We are in the mess we are in now because we prop up evil men world wide and then fund them with billions of dollars of oil money. We turn third world countries into cesspools and waste pits in pursuit of more billions.

Until we come to the realization that our unadulterated addiction to money and posession is the root cause of our problems, it will continue. There has to a balance that can be struck between being successful and a certain level of responsibility. It's up to us to decide.

Who ever said that special interest needs to get out of politics has the right answer, but no one has the balls to make it happen.

If we really wanted things to change we would limit all political office terms to 1 term and outlaw lobbyists.

[Joe234]

No but he was certainly offing people before we invaded. He ruled by fear Joe. You screw with Saddam or any part of his regime and you get your nuts stretched in a dungeon. The problem is that sometimes countries need leaders like that to hold the country together. I am not saying that is good or OK just that it is what it is. As far as Arab leader go he was pretty liberal in regards to women's rights and certain freedoms. Next to Saudi Arabia he looked quite liberal. Speaking of Arabs, how come the Arab league was demanding action in Libya yet it is the French and the USA who have been doing all the fighting so far? My guess is we are going to pay for all of this as well. Now we just need Obama to come out and tell us on live TV about how the oil money is going to finance this war. Mission accomplished!

I agree Saddam should have been left in power. He kept Al Qaeda out of Iraq.

[Frosted]

This could be a dangerous OT move -
Now that the worlds attention is diverted to the tsunami and Libya the Palestinians have decided to chuck a load of rockets into Israel again.

China is using strong words against the military action.

The world could get a bit busy in 2011.

[sgreger1]

GoVegan - you're not far off the mark there. In fact you're right on the money.
Saddam Hussein - despite the fact he was a total bastard, held his country together. He knew that his country was full of psychos and therefore ruled with the fear of God. When we went in there in 2003 a pandoras box opened.

This simply cannot be over-stated. Like him or not, that evil bastard kept a clean house and would never allow it to fall into the dissaray that it's in now. We didn't **** with Sadam for a long time because he always kept his side of the street clean. For whatever reason Bush decided to pull his card early which lead to a historic boondoggle that we may not recover from.

Would have been better to leave him in power and just threaten him and squeeze his balls constantly, he kept the heroin out and the taliban as well. More than we have accomplished.

I'm pretty sure the whole plan with Iraq was to spend tax payer dollars to blow up the place so that American contractors could use american tax-payer dollars to rebuild it.

[GoVegan]

If Ghadafi survives this you can bet he will be looking to buy nukes. Hey, I just heard we are up to 112 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles and they cost 1.4 to 2 million each. I thought we were broke.

[lxskllr]

Would have been better to leave him in power and just threaten him and squeeze his balls constantly, he kept the heroin out and the taliban as well. More than we have accomplished.

I'm pretty sure the whole plan with Iraq was to spend tax payer dollars to blow up the place so that American contractors could use american tax-payer dollars to rebuild it.

Or go in like vikings and just take the country and make it another state. Half assed imperialism's half assed. Diplomacy's for the weak. If you don't have the balls to just take what you want, you should stay out altogether.

[sgreger1]

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"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
—Senator Barack Obama



I agree Lx, no need to keep pretending, if we spend all that money we should at least get to keep their oil as part of our national reserves.

[sgreger1]

If Ghadafi survives this you can bet he will be looking to buy nukes. Hey, I just heard we are up to 112 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles and they cost 1.4 to 2 million each. I thought we were broke.

For those following the "Defund NPR" madness, chew on this:

Today the US shot 119 Tomahawk missiles into Libya. At a cost of $575,000 Per missile the total cost is $68,425,000. Or 8.425 Million more than NPR receives in a year.

[GoVegan]

For those following the "Defund NPR" madness, chew on this:

Today the US shot 119 Tomahawk missiles into Libya. At a cost of $575,000 Per missile the total cost is $68,425,000. Or 8.425 Million more than NPR receives in a year.

Those figures are old. I have the more current ones in my post. It really sucks that schools around here are laying off teachers and cutting programs left and right but we can shoot multi million dollar missiles into foreign countries. I really wish that there was some kind of survey you could fill out when you file your taxes that would show Congress how you would like your money to be allocated.

[Frosted]

I expect these missiles have a life span. Use them or dump them??

[sgreger1]

Those figures are old. I have the more current ones in my post. It really sucks that schools around here are laying off teachers and cutting programs left and right but we can shoot multi million dollar missiles into foreign countries. I really wish that there was some kind of survey you could fill out when you file your taxes that would show Congress how you would like your money to be allocated.

What do you mean old numbers? I just saw it in the news today, my bad though I didn't even realize the numbers in your post were different, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to argue about defunding NPR to save money while we are blowing our glorious load all over libya's face right now to the tune of billions. Either way your right, the united states is doing the same shit my company always does, they give the executives millions in bonuses and then fire the receptionist who makes 30k a year to "save money". We are burning giant piles of money and yet want to turn off Sesame Street? F#ck that.

[Jwalker]

I don't get the idea of not being involved in events at all it doesn't seem realistic despite the popularity of it. I think I figured it out they (The U.S., Britain, France, Italy, Arab countries) decided at the last minute F**k it were not going to let this guy survive. I think Ghadaffi was trying to overrun Benghazi as fast as he could, but it apparently doesn't matter since we'll just keep bombing him, I don't know what they'll do if the rebels actually lose which seems unlikely since Egypt would probably let them stage an attack from there. No one likes Ghadaffi. They essentially did what they needed to from a military standpoint France attacked the units of Ghadaffi advancing on Benghazi and I don't know how gung ho his soldiers are going to be once they're getting bombed and stuff. Sarkoy seems pretty gung ho on this after the arab league gave the A Ok probably in exchange for us ignoring Bahrain and Yemen. China just objecting because they're freaked out at all this because they're obsessed with the Taipang rebellion I guess.