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  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #31
    Originally posted by Mazur View Post
    Agree!

    I have spent whole my life in Europe. Most of my life under communist government in Poland (under the authority of Soviet Union). Now under the authority of European Union. And I know that socialism is really sucks for all hard-working and honest people.


    Thank you, I don't hear this often enough. Everyone in the US has this fantasy that the NHS is like free healthcare, where no one ever pays and no one goes untreated. But long wait lines to me are rationing, and rationing can be a BIG setback when you are suffering from a life threatening condition.

    Not that the American system is any better, but like you said, any time the government touches it, it gets overly complicated, expensive, and inneficient.

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    • itchystiches
      Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 194

      #32
      Oh no mate, nothing free about the NHS. When you do the math it's insanely bad value for money.

      Ps. All the horror stories you guys hear about TRIAGE is true too. If you go to the ER with a busted bone or something otherwise none life threatening you'll be waiting for hours whilst those with alcohol poisoning skip the line.

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #33
        Originally posted by itchystiches View Post
        Oh no mate, nothing free about the NHS. When you do the math it's insanely bad value for money.

        Ps. All the horror stories you guys hear about TRIAGE is true too. If you go to the ER with a busted bone or something otherwise none life threatening you'll be waiting for hours whilst those with alcohol poisoning skip the line.

        Here in America, we just let the illegals go straight to the front of the line. They need it more, or something. I dunno, but I went in a few months back for extreme dehydration because of food poisoning, and I was sitting there for 2 hours as I slowly almost passed out. I was dehydrated to the point where every single muscle in my body hurt, but they couldn't get me an IV for almost 3 hours. I was like "I KNOW HOW TO ADMINISTER AN IV. BRING ONE THE **** OUT HERE BEFORE I DIE", they are like "yeah..... um.. no, go ahead and continue waiting, and try not do die in the bathroom with the door locked because we lost the key.

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        • justintempler
          Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 3090

          #34
          Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
          The problem is people are pure shite. If humans weren't such garbage, communism would be the best system. It can work well on very small systems, but even then you get stuck with the occasional douchebag. It's just easier to deal with when the system's small. The problem with the USA is we have a crappy blend of socialism, and capitalism, and no personal, or communal responsibility. The only allegiance people have is to the dollar, and profits make right.
          The biggest problem as I see it is corporations are given the legal rights of an individual but none of the responsibility. Profits are privatized, losses are paid for by the public. Owners of corporations are allowed to shield themselves from their mistakes. The owner is allowed to file bankruptcy an absolve himself of any responsibitlity so he is free to rape and pillage put out faulty and dangerous products and the worst that can happen to him is he losses his company and is free to start over and do it all over again.

          We need to hold the owners of corporations responsible for their mistakes even if they spend the rest of their lives paying off those debts. If you want the rewards of capitalism you have to be willing to pay the price for your mistakes.

          It's not capitalism that is the problem, it's corporatism.

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          • raptor
            Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 753

            #35
            Originally posted by devilock76 View Post
            Possibly because they took and entire group of people for everything they had including their lives and then the resources of all of their neighbors when they invaded them.

            Wave that Nazi fan boy flag though.

            Ken
            That didn't really come into full effect until the mid-to-late 30s. Not that I'm defending the extreme racist fascism the Nazis employed, but not everything they did was inherently evil.

            Originally posted by itchystiches View Post
            You know that Hitler hated tobacco right? I think we'd all have been on his hit list...
            I had to laugh at this comment, evoking an emotional topic for a lot of people here. No, Hitler didn't subscribed to whacking tobacco users because he was against the substance.

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            • sgreger1
              Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #36
              Originally posted by justintempler
              The biggest problem as I see it is corporations are given the legal rights of an individual but none of the responsibility. Profits are privatized, losses are paid for by the public. Owners of corporations are allowed to shield themselves from their mistakes. The owner is allowed to file bankruptcy an absolve himself of any responsibitlity so he is free to rape and pillage put out faulty and dangerous products and the worst that can happen to him is he losses his company and is free to start over and do it all over again.

              We need to hold the owners of corporations responsible for their mistakes even if they spend the rest of their lives paying off those debts. If you want the rewards of capitalism you have to be willing to pay the price for your mistakes.

              It's not capitalism that is the problem, it's corporatism.


              THIS x1,000. That is exactly the problem, legal rights of an individual, but none of the responsibility.

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              • Crow
                Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 4312

                #37
                Originally posted by itchystiches
                You know that Hitler hated tobacco right? I think we'd all have been on his hit list...
                Originally posted by raptor View Post
                I had to laugh at this comment, evoking an emotional topic for a lot of people here. No, Hitler didn't subscribed to whacking tobacco users because he was against the substance.
                He was also a vegetarian and never drank. I don't think he was exterminating meat-eaters or beer-guzzlers either.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H..._vegetarianism

                He had a love for other animals, except for a selective group of his own species.
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                • devilock76
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                  • Aug 2010
                  • 1737

                  #38
                  Originally posted by The Seattleite View Post
                  He was also a vegetarian and never drank. I don't think he was exterminating meat-eaters or beer-guzzlers either.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H..._vegetarianism

                  He had a love for other animals, except for a selective group of his own species.
                  A favorite on this:



                  Ken

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                  • sgreger1
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 9451

                    #39
                    Hitler has no basis for being anti-tobacco, the guy was having daily shots of methamphetamine shot into his veins near the end there, and he had his entire army cracked out on drugs of various sorts (mainly combinations of morphine, cocaine, or crystal meth). It became a real problem after a while and definately contributed to their losing the war.



                    Surely if aliens were helping him out, they would have cued him in about how shooting up crystal meth probably isn't the best idea.

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                    • itchystiches
                      Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 194

                      #40
                      You know who I bet really does get a kick off Hitler? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Guy is outta his mind.

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                      • raptor
                        Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 753

                        #41
                        Originally posted by itchystiches View Post
                        You know who I bet really does get a kick off Hitler? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Guy is outta his mind.
                        And it isn't anyone's business but the Iranians.

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                        • raptor
                          Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 753

                          #42
                          Originally posted by justintempler
                          It's not capitalism that is the problem, it's corporatism.
                          Capitalism has no reservations for what most of us would consider unethical. Exploitation of individuals, exploitation of the environment, shying of responsibility, they are all manifestations of extreme profit making. A lot of people cry about the government controlling the economy and desire the "invisible hand" to guide the market instead, but fail to realize that the aforementioned aspects will only intensify without regulation.

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                          • Joe234
                            Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 1948

                            #43
                            Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                            National Socialism was the best socio-economic system.
                            Yea, the best system to exterminate 6,000,000 Jews by an evil dictator.
                            Your defense of Nazi Germany is idiocy.

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                            • lxskllr
                              Member
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 13435

                              #44
                              Originally posted by The Seattleite View Post
                              He was also a vegetarian and never drank. I don't think he was exterminating meat-eaters or beer-guzzlers either.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H..._vegetarianism

                              He had a love for other animals, except for a selective group of his own species.
                              You know what always makes me laugh? I've read that Hitler farted a lot. Probably from being a vegetarian. Too much whole grain :^D


                              There's something undignified about a chronically farting fuhrer :^D

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                              • raptor
                                Member
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 753

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Joe234 View Post
                                Yea, the best system to exterminate 6,000,000 Jews by an evil dictator.
                                Your defense of Nazi Germany is idiocy.
                                P.S. Jews weren't the only people to die. So if you're going to cite Holocaust numbers, at least have the decency to use the 11-17 million people figure to include all the other "undesirables" who died.

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