Wiki-Warning – Little Green Men Coming

[tom502]

We only beat them by cheating. If it had been one on one, I don't think we would have won.

[tom502]

Kosmokrater is my solo black metal project, and since the topic of Nazi UFOs interests me so, I am going to make my next album about that. I'm working now on 8 songs, and I'm approaching this album differently writing style from the previous ones, and going to make a better packaging for it too.

[sgreger1]

We only beat them by cheating. If it had been one on one, I don't think we would have won.

Cheating, like how? Either way, war always ends in one of two possibilities:

1. Victory
2. Defeat


There is no middle ground. We won. No matter how we did it, be it cheating or dropping an atom bomb on civilians, the only thing that matters is that we won.

[tom502]

True, but there is no honor or dignity in it. Just shame and disgrace. It's like if we had a beef, and I got 5 buddies and we all beat you up, and then I walk around telling how I beat you in a fight. It just seems shameful to me. And our national cheating in wars does not equal a true win in my eyes, but a further disgracing of the nation.

[Roo]

Using your example above, if sgreger was a homicidal psychopath hellbent on mass genocide and the conquest of your neighborhood by the forceful removal of your neighbors from their houses, with whom he lined up and coldly executed including women and children, not stopping until everyone was rounded up and shot, and there was no neighborhood-wide legal system by which to arrest him and try him for his horrendous crimes against humanity, then there would be nothing "unfair" about you and 5 friends taking it upon yourselves to hunt him down and kill him. You would, in fact, be a hero for freeing your neighbors from his tyranny and for saving their lives.

Your sympathy and admiration for Nazis paints you in a rather disgusting light, and not only is it ****ed up, but I, for one, am sick to death of hearing about it. It comprises more than 50% of what you talk about on thus forum, or so it seems. And on the topic of a fair fight, are you forgetting that we were fighting in and across both the Atlantic and Pacific? Do you really think it's unfair that we helped liberate numerous European countries (ie your friends and neighbors from your example) from tyranny, occupation, enslavement and execution? If so you're even creepier than I thought. I know who's getting an SS uniform and a swastika tattoo for christmas.

[Darwin]

Amen Brother Roo.

[tom502]

It's sad you swallow the imperialist war propaganda without question. I guess you call Germans Krauts, Vietnamese Gooks, and Japanese Japs. You blindly accept the lies of our war for profit machine that makes disposable pawn of it's own citizens. You accept the FDA lies, the 911 lies, and want Wikileaks stopped. Drink the kool aid, never question, only accept, life is easier that way.

[Roo]

Huh? Wait, I thought I hated white people... Actually Tom, I read books. And not the kind about aliens creating the human race and Raelians. I read books about real history. God this Kool Aid is ****ing delicious. Tastes like... Anti-white socialism. I call it Hype Crunk Juice. Think of me what you will, but excuse me if I don't trust the intellect of a Nazi fanatic who believes Hitler escaped to the moon, superior alien races live under Antarctica, an unseen star will end the world as we know it in 2 years, the Germans lost WW2 despite having extraterrestrial assistance, sharia law is coming to town next Summer, the only decent places to live are "white-ruled" nations, and admires totalitarianism yet labels anyone with even the slightest liberal stance on anything a socialist. I doubt you even know what that means, aside from what the likes of Ann Coulter would have you believe.

As for the "'Krauts, Gooks, and Japs" comment, that was about the dumbest shit I've ever heard. I've lived in 2 of those countries and I have more respect and understanding for their people and cultures than you ever will for as long as you sit on your ass decrying the plight of white people. Poor whitey. <--- see? That was racist right? Not everyone sits around putting everything into the context of race. You are obsessed with it. Oh and I've never said a ****ing thing about 9/11 on this forum, so keep your assumptions to yourself.

Edit: I don't know how to respond to your FDA and Wikileaks comments because I don't know what the **** you are talking about. My best guess is that you think anyone who doesn't idolize Hitler is towing the Hilary Clinton line? You make no sense.

[tom502]

I just don't accept the imperialist war propaganda, as being holy writ. The current topic was one on one, we could not have beaten Germany. You injected all the other stuff. And I did not start this thread, it was not me, it was about Nazi UFOs. I did participate in it's discussion. My mentioning of the war terms for the Japanese etc, was because I don't understand how some accept some war propaganda that they might like, but reject other war propaganda. I know I don't suceed often, but I try not to make purely reactionary posts, but I too much, feel like I am defending myself because I may have posted something that may not be agreeable to another's political leanings. I should not feel I have to do that.

Edited earlier to add:
I think I just find it somwhat irritating, the display I see of intolerance. I am often attacked by just a few extremists, that are so intoleant, and opposed to individual belief, and expression. One thing that differentiates me, is I don't care how others believe or think. I may not, and do not have to personally agree with someone's views, but I personally respect others rights to there views and beliefs, and display an enourmous tolerance to other posters, even if I disagree with them. We all have different views, and I don't think it right that I personally get singled out by a few to have my posts attacked by intolerant extremists who do not support freedom of individual views and exprsson.

[Darwin]

Is it time for matched pistols at twenty paces yet? Failing that how about Super-Soakers at point-blank range?

[sgreger1]

Music playing in the background: *The final countdown*

ROUND 1. FIGHT!

[Roo]

Fair enough Tom. I would just like to say that you post all over this board, and talk a LOT about Nazis, and half the time all that I'm trying to do is provide the viewers with enough evidence that this isn't a racist Neo-Nazi chew forum. I personally know how you feel about Neo-Nazi groups, but it's rarely evident in your posts. It's amusing that you call me the extremist. Your views, by definition, are extremely... extreme. And freedom of speech has nothing to do with calling someone out on a forum when it is perceived that they are saying outrageous shit. I'm not trying to censor you, but engage you. As to your comment about you not attacking others' point of view, I wholeheartedly agree. You do a *much* better job at that than I. Peace.

[sgreger1]

Re: Roo & Tom's weekend standoff

[tom502]

I may use certain words, but in all honesty, I have no problems with any other poster here, and I dislike no one. I can at times get slightly irritated and how my posts bring a reaction from some, but I know this is just a message forum, and can't take anything serious or personal. Everyone has their own views, which may and often do, differ from each other. I do have a romantic fascination with the real 3rd Reich, in an idealistic fantasy type of way. As I have said before, I do not agree with ethocentrism, and oppression of others based on that, anywhere, but to me, if this element was not in the 3rd Reich, it was and more so would have been, the most advanced national social system in the history of the world. And of course, I am a big UFO, and paranormal buff, and it only adds greatly to the mysterious magikal aspect of the whole 3rd Reich. My fascination with the 3rd Reich goes back to me as a child, and I am being honest here, I would make 3rd Reich sculptures with play dough, eagles swastikas iron crosses, and I would make posters, and even devise home-made uniforms all with the regalia, remembering the houses I lived in doing this, I was under 12. Yet, apart from my mother's father being in WW2 in Europe, on our side, I can think of no external element that brought this fascination upon me. And, it must be pointed out, I never had any racial bias towards anyone, and always in school, the Navy, and jobs, and girlfriends, was a multiracial nondescriminator, so it wasn't anything like todays so-called neonazis that had any influence on my early fascination with the subject, I was also a reader of Von Danikin in my under 12 years too. I seriously have thought perhaps it was aspects of a past life coming through. And because of this, and how I feel, I just really have a hard time accepting what I consider to be largely war propaganda that paints that era in a purely negative way. I am sure it wasn't 100 percent perfect, what is, but I think a lot of lies dominate our so called history and media of this era. I feel like I was maybe there in another time, and it does not resonate with what we have been told.

[sgreger1]

My fascination with the 3rd Reich goes back to me as a child, and I am being honest here, I would make 3rd Reich sculptures with play dough, eagles swastikas iron crosses, and I would make posters, and even devise home-made uniforms all with the regalia...

Absolute win Tom. I can see little tom in Preschool, drawing swazi's with his crayons and molding imperial storm troopers for his play-dough 3rd reich army. lol.



Maybe you were a nazi in a past life Tom, that's the only thing I can think of. I mean, the era was certainly played up in the media and of course all sides have their own propaganda, but jeeze tom. I mean surely germany wasn't ALL bad, just like it is hard for me to believe that insurgents are ALL bad (i'd probably drink some tea with em if I had a chance), but I still think you are re-writing history too much in your fantasies. We can argue about the details of WWII, but the bottom line fact is that hitler was bent on world domination and cleaning the gene pool, and that's totally not cool. I think that's why people are weirded out by you saying what you say, because traditionally it isn't cool to glorify a nation that did what Hitler did.