Wiki-Warning – Little Green Men Coming

[Maher]

interesting article

http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/ame...een-men-coming

[lxskllr]

I dunno, but I bet Tom would be interested in this.

[sgreger1]

"
The Wiki-rumors talk about UFO, Nazi Germany and a base in Antarctica. There is a reference, from several sources, of some kind of UFO war. I know absolutely nothing about this but…
This is what I was told by sources who had known escaped Nazi elite:

During the war, Hitler had been in contact with aliens. Some sort of agreement or arrangement was made. A base was built in Antarctica. Germany had build a “complimentary” facility in Chile which existed until well after the war. The “Nazi/Space Alien” base in Antarctica was also controlled by the Nazis and, at some point, by Nazis and Americans, well after the end of the war."

GOD DAMNIT TOM, how have you managed to infiltrate the media?

[lxskllr]

GOD DAMNIT TOM, how have you managed to infiltrate the media?

You watch. Tom's gonna be proven 100% right, and everybody will owe him an apology :^D

[Premium Parrots]

You watch. Tom's gonna be proven 100% right, and everybody will owe him an apology :^D

heh........everybody but Hitler

[sgreger1]

Long story short, for those who don't want to read: The article alludes to the fact that wikileaks has some kind of secret UFO documents. Specifically, it alleges that nazi UFO's are real, and that aliens/nazi's have a base in antarctica. But of course, coming from a piece that was almost surely penned by tom, it also adds in a zionist conspiracy. Specifically, that asange is working for mossad, and that if the US doesn't hand over control of our armies to Israel, wikileaks will leak the UFO documents.




I will now detail why wikileaks does not have any such documents.

1. To date, the source for all of these documents has been a PFC in the army who had a secret intelligence clearence. Post 9-11, the committee's that were commisioned to figure out why 9-11 happened all came to one conclusion: The various intel agencies DO NOT share information with each other enough, so puzzle pieces go unconnected. They tried to address it via an automated system for sharing information based on who "needs to know", but that proved to be a failure. So eventually they just decided that any information in a certain classification criteria (classified, secret, top secret) should be accessable to anyone with an equivalent security clearance. Therefore, anyone with a secret clearance can log into a SPIRNet computer and access ANY document which is classified as secret or below.

The gay kid was singing lady gaga songs when he did it. Why you ask? Because he was BURNING ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS TO ****ING CD-RW DISCS.That's right, the computer hosting all of this classified data had a ****ing CD-RW drive (and you think these people should run healthcare?). He sang lady gag because he was pretending to be burning a lady gaga CD... off a ****ing SPIRNET terminal.

In theatre, the SPIRnet terminals aren't really in any way restricted most of the time. They usually just close the cover on the terminal or lock the door to the room, but almost everyone has access. Additionally, there is no hardware protection against using removable media, only protocol. So while the rules say "don't use a USB drive on our computers", it never goes enforced, so it would not seem out of the ordinay for him to be sitting there burning a CD or using a thumb drive.


The point: All these documents came from some kid with a basic security clearance (secret), which is why all of the documents were mainly state dept bullshit and personal convo's instead of anything particularly secret. If documents exist that corroborate the UFO phenomena, than it wouldd NOT be classified as secret, and this PFC would not have had access to it. Therefore, any information we see from wikileaks will not contain anything about UFO's, because the source for the information could never get within a thousand meters of that kind of information.

So if UFO documents exist, there is no way the PFC or wikileaks could be in possesion of them.


2. In an itnerview Julian Assange did, the interviewer asked him if there was anything about UFO's in his documents. Julian made it clear that there was nothing relevant about UFO's in the documents. He said that the loonies who believe in UFO's are probably frothing at the mouth,but that he didn't see anything particularly interesting regarding UFO's, though he does say that UFO's are mentioned a few times in some of the documents. This is likely just shit like we saw with project bluebook, where the gov is just compiling lists of people who make UFO reports. Nothing interesting to see.





So, in short (or long), that is why there is no UFO documents coming from wikileaks. Their source only has access to the most basic of information. There is something like 800,000 people (foreign and domestic) who have a secret security clearance and access to these files. ANything coming from wikileaks will be shit that the gov didn't think was important enough to hide.

[Darwin]

Until an alien spaceship lands on the White House lawn at noon or makes itself otherwise spectacularly known to millions of people all at once I just don't care about the entirety of UFO folderol. Most of the UFO screwiness I've ever heard about seem rather like the alien equivalent of joyriding teenagers. Not to be taken seriously. And this is from a lifelong science fiction addict. Oddly I find that generally speaking the more real science you know and the more science fiction you've read the less likely you are to count as legitimate any of the vasty body of UFO claptrap. Doesn't help that the "phenomenon" always seems wrapped up in a whacky spiraling hall of mirrors ranged about with gummint conspiracies.

[tom502]

Last night was double Nazi goodness. UFO Hunters was about Nazi UFOs(saucer craft), and so was Ancient Aliens.
De Glocke, Wunderwaffen, Haunebu, Vril, Aldebaran.
Even Van Braun is claimed to have said they were helped by ETs.

[devilock76]

You watch. Tom's gonna be proven 100% right, and everybody will owe him an apology :^D

Apologize? Heck, if all his theories are ever proven right I will call him a messiah and open the first church of Tom!

Ken

[ChaoticGemini]

Apologize? Heck, if all his theories are ever proven right I will call him a messiah and open the first church of Tom!

Ken

LMAO. As a spectator to several Tom threads, I think I might take up religion too at that point.

[tom502]

Well, I don't know if any of it is fact, because I never witnessed any of it first hand.
But, we do know of many things, which I think are considered facts(at least backed up by multiple claims):
Die Glocke, Vril society, Order of the Black Sun, at least 2 Nazi officials claiming they had assistance from ETs. Neu Schwabenland and Admiral Byrd. Designs of saucer craft like the Vril and Haunebu models. Many photos, though I am not positive of their authenticity. And it's not a proven fact that Hitler commited suicide. So, I tend to believe it more true than not. The Nazis were also the first to launch a rocket into space, and Operation Paperclip, that had the US take in the Nazi scientists, and our space program is the continuation of theirs, and also, they invented everything we take for granted today, computers, TV(Hitler was the 1st person on TV), jet engines, and more. They created our modern world.

[devilock76]

Well, I don't know if any of it is fact, because I never witnessed any of it first hand.
But, we do know of many things, which I think are considered facts(at least backed up by multiple claims):
Die Glocke, Vril society, Order of the Black Sun, at least 2 Nazi officials claiming they had assistance from ETs. Neu Schwabenland and Admiral Byrd. Designs of saucer craft like the Vril and Haunebu models. Many photos, though I am not positive of their authenticity. And it's not a proven fact that Hitler commited suicide. So, I tend to believe it more true than not. The Nazis were also the first to launch a rocket into space, and Operation Paperclip, that had the US take in the Nazi scientists, and our space program is the continuation of theirs, and also, they invented everything we take for granted today, computers, TV(Hitler was the 1st person on TV), jet engines, and more. They created our modern world.

<trying not to be sarcastic>The simple truth is that I cannot take anything the Nazi's would say as fact, even if there was ten of them who stood in a line under oath and said it. Their reputation for fact and truth is forever tarnished to me, and many others.</trying not to be sarcastic>

Ken

[sgreger1]

Well, I don't know if any of it is fact, because I never witnessed any of it first hand.
But, we do know of many things, which I think are considered facts(at least backed up by multiple claims):
Die Glocke, Vril society, Order of the Black Sun, at least 2 Nazi officials claiming they had assistance from ETs. Neu Schwabenland and Admiral Byrd. Designs of saucer craft like the Vril and Haunebu models. Many photos, though I am not positive of their authenticity. And it's not a proven fact that Hitler commited suicide. So, I tend to believe it more true than not. The Nazis were also the first to launch a rocket into space, and Operation Paperclip, that had the US take in the Nazi scientists, and our space program is the continuation of theirs, and also, they invented everything we take for granted today, computers, TV(Hitler was the 1st person on TV), jet engines, and more. They created our modern world.

I agree that Germany had a great science dept, and they were certainly more advanced militarily (Panzer tanks etc), but I would hardly say they created our modern world, nor would I make the claim that our space program is just the continuation of theirs. I think it goes more along the lines of, "We won the war, we get to keep all the valuable shit, including your scientists".

[devilock76]

I agree that Germany had a great science dept, and they were certainly more advanced militarily (Panzer tanks etc), but I would hardly say they created our modern world, nor would I make the claim that our space program is just the continuation of theirs. I think it goes more along the lines of, "We won the war, we get to keep all the valuable shit, including your scientists".

Now I here I go and play the other counter point:

reminds me of back in fall of '99. A friend of mine sends a pseudo chain msg out about how Time magazine is doing an online poll over the most influential person of the 20th century. The letter encouraged people to vote as a bunch of "Neo-Nazi's" were voting for Hitler and this was considered "unacceptable". I wrote back that the poll asks for influential, but did not ask good or bad, and in that case Hitler did very much influence the 20th century and in fact is influencing the 21st century. Everything from VW to our own highway system to the middle easy and Israel to the rise of the Iron curtain to the UN to the Asian world to America's own rise to become a super power in numerous ways direct and indirect tie to WWII and in many ways WWII was what it was because of Hitler, of course maybe if he didn't exist there would have been another sadistic fanatic to take his place. I went so far as to say I found Billy Graham being number 3 on the list to be more disconcerting.

Did they create our modern world, no, but WWII has and is still shaping our modern world especially in the global social/political aspects.

Ken

[tom502]

I meant mainly on a scientific and technological field of shaping out modern world. I mean, everything we have today, that we take for granted, be it TV, jet planes, rockets, missles, computers, etc.