Evidence President Barack Obama is a Secret Muslim

[sgreger1]

I'm siding with snupy,

We have to learn to stop sticking our noses into the affairs of other countries. So what their problems are so much worse? Do you want us to keep playing world policeman? We have enough problems here at home. Let's get our own house in order first.

I am not advocating we go over there and tell them to be different, especially at the point of a gun. Quite the contrary, I have always advocated here that those countries are sovereign nations and should be allowed to govern themselves so long as they don't bother us and stay off our lawn. Muslims in America don't seem to persecute gays or kill people for drawing cartoons, and so as long as they can behave themselves they are just as welcome as the whacky jahova's witnesses or scientologists. I don't care. What snupy was saying is that the way islam is practiced in their countries is the same as how christians practice in America. He found it funny that the christians were up in arms about islam, while christians were the same in their persecution of heretics, which was a lie. That ended a long time ago and you will find no hint of that in America, let alone the courts upholding it.

[tom502]

A LOT of so-called "honor killings" happen in the USA, and Canada recently.

[justintempler]

He found it funny that the christians were up in arms about islam, while christians were the same in their persecution of heretics, which was a lie. ....

That's not the way I understood him.....

[truthwolf1]

I have seen a number of Somali women in the barscene who have successfully turned themselves into your "classic American woman tramp stamp type".
Once it catches on it will be all over for them. Feminism is the key in toppling them!

[tom502]

An American Honor Killing In a quiet suburban parking lot outside of Phoenix, a father floors the gas on his Jeep Grand Cherokee and heads straight for his 20-year-old daughter. His goal: to protect his family’s "honor." Yes, honor crimes have washed up on our shores.

Around the sprawling, sunbaked campus of Dysart High School in El Mirage, Arizona, not many people knew about the double life of a pretty, dark-haired girl named Noor Almaleki.

At school, she was known as a fun-loving student who made friends easily. She played tennis in a T-shirt emblazoned with the school mascot — a baby demon in a diaper. She liked to watch Heroes and eat at Chipotle. Sometimes she talked in a goofy Keanu Reeves voice. She wore dark jeans, jeweled sandals, and flowy tops from Forever 21. She texted constantly and called her friends "dude." In other words, she was an American girl much like any other.

But at home, Noor inhabited a darker world. She lived a life of subservience, often left to care for her six younger siblings. Noor's father, 49-year-old Faleh Almaleki, was strict and domineering, deeming it inappropriate for her to socialize with guys, wear jeans, or post snapshots of herself on MySpace. Her responsibility was to follow orders, or to risk a beating. From her father's perspective, the only time Noor's life would ever change would be when she married a man he selected for her — back in his homeland of Iraq. Noor, however, had a different vision for herself. Having lived in the U.S. for 16 years, she held dreams of becoming a teacher, of marrying a man she loved, and, most importantly, of making her own choices.

On a cloudless, breezy afternoon in late October 2009, her father set out to end those dreams. As Noor walked across a suburban parking lot to a Mexican restaurant with a friend — a 43-year-old woman named Amal Khalaf — Faleh Almaleki gunned the engine of his Jeep Grand Cherokee and bore down on his 20-year-old daughter and her companion. The women took off running but were no match for the SUV, already traveling close to 30 miles per hour. Suddenly Amal turned, held up her hands in a futile attempt to stop the Jeep, and froze. Moments later, the vehicle struck the women, tossing them into the air. Amal hit the pavement; Noor landed on a raised median, in a patch of pebbly landscaping. Faleh wasn't done, though. Swerving onto the median, he ran over his daughter as she lay bleeding, fracturing her face and spine. Then, he reversed and sped away.

Passersby heard the roar of the engine, screams, the impact of the bodies as they hit the Jeep's grill. They saw the women lying on the ground, their sandals scattered across the lot. A witness called 911, and emergency vehicles converged. Amal's condition was stable; Noor was comatose.

Local police characterized the incident as an attempted "honor killing" — the murder of a woman for behaving in a way that "shames" her family. It's a practice with deep, tenacious roots in the tribal traditions of the Middle East and Asia. (The United Nations estimates that 5,000 women die annually from such crimes.) Women are stoned, stabbed, and, in the recent case of a teenage girl in Turkey, tied up and buried alive. But honor killings in America are a chilling new trend. In Texas, teen sisters Amina and Sarah Said were shot dead in 2008, allegedly by their father, because they had boyfriends. That same year in Georgia, 25-year-old Sandeela Kanwal was allegedly strangled by her father for wanting to leave an arranged marriage. Last year in New York, Aasiya Hassan, 37, was murdered in perhaps the most gruesome way imaginable: She was beheaded, allegedly by her husband, for reportedly seeking a divorce. And this past spring, 19-year-old Tawana Thompson's husband gunned her down in Illinois, reportedly following arguments about her American-style clothing.
http://www.marieclaire.com/world-rep...ngs-in-america
6 pages total.

[snupy]

Yes a small church group supporting anti-gay policies is terrible,

It's not a small group, if you include the religious dollars that flowed into Cali to defeat gay marriage. That's not the equivalent of execution, no, but it IS still a case of persecution based on what one's invisible friend has told them.

however it PALES in comparison to entire Muslim countries where gays have always been prosecuted. Why do you cite a group of american christians supporting anti-gay policies in 1 country, while nearly the entire middle east has had that policy for thousands of years?

Because among the US Christians, SOME WOULD and HAVE instituted the EXACT SAME policies against those with whom they disagree, were it not for the Constitution.

I think that anyone and everyone should be up in arms about all of this from both sides.

I clearly stated earlier the results are horrible, although the hypocrisy IS funny. SOME Christians get ticked when a muslim does what the muslim's invisible friend demands. But when the Christians do the same, it's somehow justified.

It is justified, imo, to be up in arms over people being killed just because they are not muslim or just because they say something that is interpreted as being against Mohammad. They SHOULD be up in arms at the fact that drawing a cartoon of mohammad means assasins will come to your house and murder you.

1. It doesn't mean that in every case with every muslim throughout all time.
2. Part of what we are attributing to religious motivations on behalf of some muslims, is instead politically motivated. It's no secret that the Wahabi imams in Saudi Arabia have pointed to the US as the 'Great Satan' for years now. The Saudi government didn't mind, because when the royals are hoarding the oil wealth, leaving the Saudi public with no hopes of achieving their dreams of marrying and having kids, it served the purpose of the royals to direct the discontent of the population at the US, rather than the royals' hoarding of the oil wealth. As is the case in so many situations, it's actually the political masquerading as the religious, having nothing AT ALL to do with the religion itself, other than as a means to serve certain political aims. In other words, the Saudis played their fundamentalists like a fiddle, much like the Republicans do here. (OOPS! Am I stepping to close in suggesting the muslims are no different than us?)

They should also be up in arms that we have America citizens over in Uganda advocating people be killed simply based on their sexual orientation alone.

Oh but religious 'freedom' is the 'get out of jail free' card for bigotry. Didn't ya know? See the Tea Klux Klan for examples.

All of this is completely rediculous and a spit in the face of decades of humans rights progress.

It's really not that complex. Christianity had a reformation. Islam hasn't. Although it is probably more correct to say the West had a reformation (the enlightenment) while the middle east hasn't.

The difference is that Christians here do not actually kill people because they are gay.

Gay bashing is persecution whether death results or not, although I am not claiming religion is the motivating factor in all gay bashings. For some, it can be merely the justification.

Christians are less of an international menace because while christians may have these beliefs, they are not carried out via the courts.

That's the difference between a theocracy and the Constitution, not the difference between a muslim and a Christian.

Surely you can see where we're coming from on this? You are campaigning against christians because 1 church group goes to Uganda and embarrases our country by advocating that they persecute gays (something which America does NOT tolerate as a people or as a nation), and yet seem to defend against a religion which actively prosecutes gays. Spock would be dissapoint.

No, I point out the hypocrisy of Christians claiming the moral high ground on the muslims when the muslims call for the death of a heretic. Christians would do well to discover their own history before pointing the fingers at others. One recently received probation for printing names and addresses of OB/GYNs performing abortions, along with 'Wanted' posters. If that's not calling for someone's death, and providing the necessary information to carry it out, I don't know what is.

However, I freely admit it serves the purpose of the US aristocrats to have muslims be demonized and seen as less than human, neanderthal animals. It's the same purpose served earlier in our nations history that allowed us to kill off native Americans with no thought for their humanity either. If one wishes to go to war in two middle eastern countries, both of which are populated by muslims, demonizing them acheives two goals:

1. Makes it easier for our warriors to kill the 'sub-human' enemy.
2. Makes it easy to build support for such a war in a majority Christian country. The Christian sense of superiority is reinforced, for living the 'TRUE' religion, while also justifying the death of those 'sub-humans' who follow a 'FALSE, BARBARIC' religion. (Cuz you know, Christianity could NEVER lead to barbarism

So yeah, I understand perfectly why there's so much animosity in the country towards muslims. It serves the will of the elites. All of this plays into why it was so important in the last presidential election to also float the rumor Obama was muslim.

[snupy]

An American It's a practice with deep, tenacious roots in the tribal traditions of the Middle East and Asia.

Exactly, it's a TRIBAL tradition, that probably predates Islam itself.

[sgreger1]

It's not a small group, if you include the religious dollars that flowed into Cali to defeat gay marriage. That's not the equivalent of execution, no, but it IS still a case of persecution based on what one's invisible friend has told them.



Because among the US Christians, SOME WOULD and HAVE instituted the EXACT SAME policies against those with whom they disagree, were it not for the Constitution.



I clearly stated earlier the results are horrible, although the hypocrisy IS funny. SOME Christians get ticked when a muslim does what the muslim's invisible friend demands. But when the Christians do the same, it's somehow justified.



1. It doesn't mean that in every case with every muslim throughout all time.
2. Part of what we are attributing to religious motivations on behalf of some muslims, is instead politically motivated. It's no secret that the Wahabi imams in Saudi Arabia have pointed to the US as the 'Great Satan' for years now. The Saudi government didn't mind, because when the royals are hoarding the oil wealth, leaving the Saudi public with no hopes of achieving their dreams of marrying and having kids, it served the purpose of the royals to direct the discontent of the population at the US, rather than the royals' hoarding of the oil wealth. As is the case in so many situations, it's actually the political masquerading as the religious, having nothing AT ALL to do with the religion itself, other than as a means to serve certain political aims. In other words, the Saudis played their fundamentalists like a fiddle, much like the Republicans do here. (OOPS! Am I stepping to close in suggesting the muslims are no different than us?)



Oh but religious 'freedom' is the 'get out of jail free' card for bigotry. Didn't ya know? See the Tea Klux Klan for examples.



It's really not that complex. Christianity had a reformation. Islam hasn't. Although it is probably more correct to say the West had a reformation (the enlightenment) while the middle east hasn't.



Gay bashing is persecution whether death results or not, although I am not claiming religion is the motivating factor in all gay bashings. For some, it can be merely the justification.



That's the difference between a theocracy and the Constitution, not the difference between a muslim and a Christian.



No, I point out the hypocrisy of Christians claiming the moral high ground on the muslims when the muslims call for the death of a heretic. Christians would do well to discover their own history before pointing the fingers at others. One recently received probation for printing names and addresses of OB/GYNs performing abortions, along with 'Wanted' posters. If that's not calling for someone's death, and providing the necessary information to carry it out, I don't know what is.

However, I freely admit it serves the purpose of the US aristocrats to have muslims be demonized and seen as less than human, neanderthal animals. It's the same purpose served earlier in our nations history that allowed us to kill off native Americans with no thought for their humanity either. If one wishes to go to war in two middle eastern countries, both of which are populated by muslims, demonizing them acheives two goals:

1. Makes it easier for our warriors to kill the 'sub-human' enemy.
2. Makes it easy to build support for such a war in a majority Christian country. The Christian sense of superiority is reinforced, for living the 'TRUE' religion, while also justifying the death of those 'sub-humans' who follow a 'FALSE, BARBARIC' religion. (Cuz you know, Christianity could NEVER lead to barbarism

So yeah, I understand perfectly why there's so much animosity in the country towards muslims. It serves the will of the elites. All of this plays into why it was so important in the last presidential election to also float the rumor Obama was muslim.

Ah Snupy, the only other poster who can write a novella in each post lol. I can't disagree with anything you've said there. Here in the west, we have societal and institutional checks and balances that do not allow the crazies to run the asylum for the most part. If there were no courts to stop it, constitution to forbid it, or if the police wouldn't enforce it, than we would see a lot more action from the crazies. Luckily these institutions are in place so we just hear more talk instead. Earlier in the century when gay bashing was chic and tolerable (read as enforced) by society, we did lots of terrible middle-east-esque things to gays. Chemical castration, blacklists so they couldn't work, we've fired generals for it, medical experiments etc. Frankly I am surprised we havn't heard as much pushback as we got from the blacks or the women's rights movement. It seems gays, even though they had a huge influence in media and hollywood as well as the arts, didn't seem to scream as loud and went on "oppressed" for quite a while after the blacks and the women had been given their piece of the pie. I've always wondered why that is.

The only point i will counter you on is the gay marriage in California thing. Despite what you see on the news, Californian's seem consistently vote in a republican fashion. They seem to elect a lot of democrats to office, but as far as ballot initiatives it is almost always conservative. We voted to ban gay marriage, voted against legalizing weed, voted against tax hikes (the MANY MANY initiatives for tax hikes we've seen in recent years) etc. This is because the youth is to the left and the over 40 crowd is to the right. Guess which voting block actually takes the time to vote each election...

[Joe234]

Islam is of the Devil.

How could that be if neither god or the devil exist?

[sgreger1]

I cant say they don't exist, but that doesnt mean they do. Widespread belief in them by 99% of all humans that ever lived gives it some credibility, but i know most of that really has to do with houw memes and paradigms are passed on generation to generation. But there may be something to it, the universe is pretty crazy organized and so well put together that people imagine there must be a god, but technically none is required.


I remain agnostic to it, and i do pray sometimes for the hell of it, but am not really sure if the results i see are because of god or because i believed i was really talking to someone. When i was recovering from some substance issues back in the day, i prayed to god constantly to give me strength and felt that it really helped me get out of the slum i was in, but at the end of the day it was likely me talking to myself and giving myself self-confidence that actually brought the results i saw, as opposed to some god just snapping his fingers. Still, i remain open to the possibility.


The whole heaven\hell devil and angel shit seems like nonesense to me though, it seems redundant and uneccessary to have a good and an evil god. I think it just serves as an archetype for the eternal struggle of good and evil in the universe more than anything.

[CoderGuy]

I cant say they don't exist, but that doesnt mean they do. Widespread belief in them by 99% of all humans that ever lived gives it some credibility, but i know most of that really has to do with houw memes and paradigms are passed on generation to generation. But there may be something to it, the universe is pretty crazy organized and so well put together that people imagine there must be a god, but technically none is required.


I remain agnostic to it, and i do pray sometimes for the hell of it, but am not really sure if the results i see are because of god or because i believed i was really talking to someone. When i was recovering from some substance issues back in the day, i prayed to god constantly to give me strength and felt that it really helped me get out of the slum i was in, but at the end of the day it was likely me talking to myself and giving myself self-confidence that actually brought the results i saw, as opposed to some god just snapping his fingers. Still, i remain open to the possibility.


The whole heaven\hell devil and angel shit seems like nonesense to me though, it seems redundant and uneccessary to have a good and an evil god. I think it just serves as an archetype for the eternal struggle of good and evil in the universe more than anything.

I think the whole god and devil and religion thing is just made up by people to satisfy their own fears and insecurities. Something bad happens to a religious person, it's god testing their faith, something bad happens to someone the same person feels is a bad person, it's god punishing them. Tornado wipes out a church full of children in Kansas, god testing their faith, earthquake wipes out a gay bar, god punishing the fags. People have to believe in something or they feel worthless, and religions need people to believe in their fear to keep them in line and keep the dollars coming in.

[tom502]

Well, I believe "God" is in you, as you. Same with Buddhanature, the Atman, etc. The message of Jesus was really that of Advaita Vedanta. Christianity just hijacked the Jesus name, and made a cult around believing IN him, rather than believing him. I believe in the teachings of Jesus, because they correspond with the teachings of the Buddha and Krishna. The Kingdom of Heaven is Within. Ye are all sons of God. I and my Father are One. All the things I do, ye can do, and do better than I. All this stuff about Jesus being a sacrifice, to die for sins, and believing in that story grants one salvation, is not what Jesus taught. That stuff was made up over 100 years after Jesus died, and I believe it contradicts the message of Jesus.

[Roo]

Islamophobia, quasi-racism, Nazi idolatry, liberal-bashing, extraterrestrial creationism, closed-minded world views, ethno-cultural centrism, and dip. Welcome to the new SnusOn! I jest...

Carry on with your ignorant presumptions and Ann Coulter-style statements of what characterizes Islam and unites a billion people based on the archaic court-sanctioned practices in 3 or 4 countries. Carry on spewing and redistributing the ignorant scare-tactic rhetoric you read on ultra-conservative American political extremist blogs. Carry on happily ignoring any societal, political, and cultural circumstances under which violent Islamic extremism flourishes, and continue blaming the actions of a fraction of believers on the entire religion itself. Keep claiming to know what the school teacher in Indonesia or the metal smith in Syria is *really* thinking about. As they say, ignorance is bliss. No sense in trying to really gain some understanding of why these atrocities are happening and what is preventing a few countries from achieving the level of human rights progression and personal freedoms that took us 300 years to figure out in a predominantly Christian nation. Just blame it on Islam itself, it's as easy as blaming urban gang warfare on the violent nature of black people.

[Condor]

Islamophobia, quasi-racism, Nazi idolatry, liberal-bashing, extraterrestrial creationism, closed-minded world views, ethno-cultural centrism, and dip. Welcome to the new SnusOn! I jest...

Carry on with your ignorant presumptions and Ann Coulter-style statements of what characterizes Islam and unites a billion people based on the archaic court-sanctioned practices in 3 or 4 countries. Carry on spewing and redistributing the ignorant scare-tactic rhetoric you read on ultra-conservative American political extremist blogs. Carry on happily ignoring any societal, political, and cultural circumstances under which violent Islamic extremism flourishes, and continue blaming the actions of a fraction of believers on the entire religion itself. Keep claiming to know what the school teacher in Indonesia or the metal smith in Syria is *really* thinking about. As they say, ignorance is bliss. No sense in trying to really gain some understanding of why these atrocities are happening and what is preventing a few countries from achieving the level of human rights progression and personal freedoms that took us 300 years to figure out in a predominantly Christian nation. Just blame it on Islam itself, it's as easy as blaming urban gang warfare on the violent nature of black people.

Roo, sometimes stereotypes can be a real time-saver.

[Roo]

Roo, sometimes stereotypes can be a real time-saver.

Yup, it also comes in handy for preserving ignorance and intellectual laziness, and preventing mutual understanding and respect between "us" and "them". It's worked out beautifully for jihadis and White Power groups alike.