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[devilock76]

Dude, logic disconnects and religion go hand in hand. It's virtually required :^D

No but see, we are not talking religion we are talking comparing ones. Allow me to explain how I view it.

So someone is an atheist because they just don't believe in god, or any supernatural, they believe in the physical world and that is that. Now let us take the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. This is a tongue in cheek thing as the persons who "support" The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster think that most of our established religions are the equivalent of believing in a giant pasta based living entity flying in the sky. They don't really believe there is some actual pasta monster out there.

What Tom is saying to me is like someone actually believing in a giant pasta monster. As in they really believe there is a giant pasta monster out there and they think that it is a much more plausible story than god having an illegitimate child who was executed but came back so we can worship a zombie.

But let us take this farther. We are pretty darn sure about dinosaurs and the earth being older than say the biblical account. So to me, if we want to convert this to an analogy on religion, Tom believing in this Nazi UFO rubbish and believing we actually faked landing on the moon is the equivalent to someone ACTUALLY believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (as a real entity, to worship despite being created to make fun of such beliefs) yet at the same time believes in creation and the more biblical account of the world despite the massive amounts of physical evidence to the contrary.

Ken

[Premium Parrots]

No but see, we are not talking religion we are talking comparing ones. Allow me to explain how I view it.

So someone is an atheist because they just don't believe in god, or any supernatural, they believe in the physical world and that is that. Now let us take the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. This is a tongue in cheek thing as the persons who "support" The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster think that most of our established religions are the equivalent of believing in a giant pasta based living entity flying in the sky. They don't really believe there is some actual pasta monster out there.

What Tom is saying to me is like someone actually believing in a giant pasta monster. As in they really believe there is a giant pasta monster out there and they think that it is a much more plausible story than god having an illegitimate child who was executed but came back so we can worship a zombie.

But let us take this farther. We are pretty darn sure about dinosaurs and the earth being older than say the biblical account. So to me, if we want to convert this to an analogy on religion, Tom believing in this Nazi UFO rubbish and believing we actually landed on the moon is the equivalent to someone ACTUALLY believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (as a real entity, to worship despite being created to make fun of such beliefs) yet at the same time believes in creation and the more biblical account of the world despite the massive amounts of physical evidence to the contrary.

Ken

I like spagetti!

[devilock76]

I like spagetti!

damnit just caught my hasty typing in the original.

Ken

[tom502]

I don't know how more clear I can state it. I also provided a very good link that gives the names, history, along with photos. It's also very interesting that the craft seen by George Adamski in the 50's was a Haunebu. So, that shows Nazi UFOs flying after WW2 era.

[sgreger1]

I don't know how more clear I can state it. I also provided a very good link that gives the names, history, along with photos. It's also very interesting that the craft seen by George Adamski in the 50's was a Haunebu. So, that shows Nazi UFOs flying after WW2 era.

But they are just made up name and a made up history, coupled with photoshopped pictures. It's just pure fanfiction. Other than words on a page, there is no supporting evidence. It also fails the logic test. Where could they have gone, if they had that technology than why didn't they use it during the war, why was hitler killed if he was in contact with aliens. Why did the aliens not intervene durig the war? Where are they now?

[tom502]

Hitler wasn't killed. There is no evidence of that.

[devilock76]

I don't know how more clear I can state it. I also provided a very good link that gives the names, history, along with photos. It's also very interesting that the craft seen by George Adamski in the 50's was a Haunebu. So, that shows Nazi UFOs flying after WW2 era.

You are referring to these:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/moonger.html

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/a...n-mystery.html


I mean really massive conjecture is your idea of proof an logic. You are completely off the deep end. If the Germans had anywhere near this level of technology they would have used it maybe to NOT LOOSE WORLD WAR II. If you have a rocket, that can go to the moon, then you have a rocket that can attack ANY OF YOUR GLOBAL ENEMIES WITH A MASSIVE EXPLOSIVE PAYLOAD from further than they could ever hope of attacking you. They could have destroyed Washington DC with the push of a button.

It makes absolutely no sense what so ever. I know sense and logic mean nothing to you but there is a point you have to realize that Bat Boy doesn't exist!

Ken

[tom502]

The agenda of the Black Sun became more than about defending a piece of land, and the problem of ruling the world, it went beyond that, so that the best option was to relocate. They took the craft and tech, and their top people and many others and got out of Dodge. While the consideration of using saucer craft in the war was considere, and done to a degree, such as the Haunebu over San Francisco, which was witnessed my maybe millions, and even attacked by US artillary, the goal of the Black Sun was more transcendent than to to carry on here.

[devilock76]

The agenda of the Black Sun became more than about defending a piece of land, and the problem of ruling the world, it went beyond that, so that the best option was to relocate. They took the craft and tech, and their top people and many others and got out of Dodge. While the consideration of using saucer craft in the war was considere, and done to a degree, such as the Haunebu over San Francisco, which was witnessed my maybe millions, and even attacked by US artillary, the goal of the Black Sun was more transcendent than to to carry on here.

If you ever apply for tax exempt status as a religion you fully have my support. Same goes if you claim dementia though.

Ken

[tom502]

These items I mention are more factual evidences. It's clear the craft shot at in San Fran in the 40's was a Haunebu, pics exist. And it's obvious that Adamski's seen and photograped craft in the 50's was the same type. Why would these crafts look exactly like a 30's Haunebu, if it was all fantasy? Granted, we don't have an actual Haunebu we can touch and get into, but we do have what I said, and it's documented and photographed from the 30's to the 50's. And the people who were involved, sadly would be probably dead now, and/or sworn to secrecy.

[sgreger1]

These items I mention are more factual evidences. It's clear the craft shot at in San Fran in the 40's was a Haunebu, pics exist. And it's obvious that Adamski's seen and photograped craft in the 50's was the same type. Why would these crafts look exactly like a 30's Haunebu, if it was all fantasy? Granted, we don't have an actual Haunebu we can touch and get into, but we do have what I said, and it's documented and photographed from the 30's to the 50's. And the people who were involved, sadly would be probably dead now, and/or sworn to secrecy.

Tom, what you have is proof that the UFO phenomena exists, justbecause you have assigned the basic flying saucer shape to "Nazi design" does not mean that's what they are. There is evidence that UFO's are real, but little to no evidence connecting them somehow with Nazi pilots.


/Hitler would be proud of this thread.

[tom502]

[lxskllr]

What Tom is saying to me is like someone actually believing in a giant pasta monster. As in they really believe there is a giant pasta monster out there and they think that it is a much more plausible story than god having an illegitimate child who was executed but came back so we can worship a zombie.

But let us take this farther. We are pretty darn sure about dinosaurs and the earth being older than say the biblical account. So to me, if we want to convert this to an analogy on religion, Tom believing in this Nazi UFO rubbish and believing we actually faked landing on the moon is the equivalent to someone ACTUALLY believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (as a real entity, to worship despite being created to make fun of such beliefs) yet at the same time believes in creation and the more biblical account of the world despite the massive amounts of physical evidence to the contrary.

Ken

I think Tom's putting the most optimistic spin on everything because it makes life more interesting. I'd love to believe in Nazi sky pilots too, but that goes against my apatheistic nature :^D

Tom has evidence, and a good story. I find his evidence stronger than that of Christianity, but it's still quite lacking imo. In the end, it's whatever gets you through the day :^)

[tom502]

[tom502]

This is well produced, TV show, but it leaves out the top secret Vril and Haunebu.