The Battle Continues: FDA & e-Cigarettes

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  • snusgetter
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    • May 2010
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    The Battle Continues: FDA & e-Cigarettes

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    FDA sends warning letters to e-cigarette companies
    By MICHAEL FELBERBAUM (AP)

    RICHMOND, Va. — The Food and Drug Administration is lighting a fire under the electronic cigarette industry to work with the agency to legally market the devices and is cautioning other companies that their sales and manufacturing practices violate federal law.

    The FDA said Thursday it sent warning letters to five companies that make e-cigarettes or components for the plastic and metal devices that heat a liquid nicotine solution in a disposable cartridge, creating vapor that the "smoker" inhales.

    In the letters, the FDA said the companies are violating the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, including unsubstantiated claims and poor manufacturing practices.

    The companies receiving warning letters are: E-CigaretteDirect LLC, Ruyan America Inc., Gamucci America, E-Cig Technology Inc. and Johnson Creek Enterprises LLC.

    But in a letter to the Electronic Cigarette Association, the FDA said the actions against the companies were not meant to be seen as a larger effort to ban e-cigs. The agency encouraged the industry group to work with the FDA to ensure the safety and effectiveness of the devices to help people quit smoking traditional cigarettes through usually expensive clinical trials.

    The battery-powered electronic cigarettes have become the center of a fight over how risky they are compared with traditional smokes, whether they're legal and, if they are, how they should be regulated.

    The FDA and public health groups have sounded the alarm, saying they contain dangerous chemicals and are being marketed to children, and the federal agency has halted shipments of e-cigarettes at ports nationwide.

    Some sellers of e-cigarettes sued the FDA last year after the agency instructed customs officials to refuse entry of shipments into the U.S. A federal judge ruled that the FDA can't stop those shipments, saying the agency had overstepped its authority. The FDA appealed, and won a stay of that ruling, pending oral arguments that are set to begin later this month.

    While the FDA claims it has the authority to regulate e-cigarettes as drug-delivery devices, some sellers contend the products should be regulated as a tobacco product, which would follow the same restrictions as traditional cigarettes and tobacco products.
    Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press.
  • tom502
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    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    #2
    must...... protect..............the..............children......... ...........................

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    • snusgetter
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      • May 2010
      • 10903

      #3
      Food for thought:

      If, somehow, a minimal amount of tobacco could be added to the mix (maybe even purified tobacco juice), would that be enough to classify and regulate it the same as a tobacco product?

      Or has this been discussed and discarded as unfeasible?

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      • tom502
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 8985

        #4
        I thought the whole appeal of the e-cig was that it did not contain the evil tobacco?

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        • Langdell
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          • Jun 2010
          • 255

          #5
          Originally posted by snusgetter View Post
          Food for thought:

          If, somehow, a minimal amount of tobacco could be added to the mix (maybe even purified tobacco juice), would that be enough to classify and regulate it the same as a tobacco product?

          Or has this been discussed and discarded as unfeasible?
          According to something I read (not sure how accurate it is) the nicotine in the e-cig liquid is somehow derived from tobacco, and that's the basis of the argument that e-cigs are "tobacco products."

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          • snusgetter
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            • May 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by tom502 View Post
            I thought the whole appeal of the e-cig was that it did not contain the evil tobacco?
            Just thinkin' that if it did then that would put a different slant
            on things and the FDA would have to treat it like a tobacco
            product and would follow the same restrictions as traditional
            cigarettes and tobacco products.

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            • snusgetter
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              • May 2010
              • 10903

              #7
              Originally posted by Langdell View Post
              According to something I read (not sure how accurate it is) the nicotine in the e-cig liquid is somehow derived from tobacco, and that's the basis of the argument that e-cigs are "tobacco products."

              Anyone familiar enough with e-cigs to venture a thought on this?

              TropicalBob? TWISTED VICTOR?

              Anyone?

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              • bipolarbear1968
                Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1074

                #8
                Competeing with RJ Reynolds, are we?

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                • snusgetter
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                  • May 2010
                  • 10903

                  #9
                  Tobacco juice?

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                  Okay, I just found this news story:


                  E-Cigarettes Illegally Marketed Are Unapproved Drugs, FDA Says

                  September 09, 2010, by Molly Peterson

                  Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Electronic cigarettes sold in the U.S. are being marketed illegally as smoking-cessation aids, the Food and Drug Administration said.

                  E-cigarettes and related products sold by Gamucci America, E-Cig Technology Inc., Ruyan America Inc., Johnson Creek Enterprises LLC and E-CigaretteDirect LLC, are being sold as unapproved new drugs, the FDA said today in warning letters to the five closely held companies. E-cigarettes, which mimic the appearance of traditional cigarettes, are metallic tubes filled with a vaporized liquid nicotine mixture derived from tobacco.


                  Still hope someone experienced with e-cigs chimes in.




                  I've never tried an e-cig but I've seen enough reports of people initially doing e-cigs to quit smoking, and many have eventually gone the Swedish snus route.

                  Check out Smokeless tobacco forum and you'll mention of snus.

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                  • Curtisp
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 189

                    #10
                    I have 3 friend/ co workers who e-cig. They "vape" as they call it constantly, because they say they don't get their nic crave satisfied. You can buy e-juice with nicotine, or flavored juice with no nicotine. As evidenced by their wet coughs, i am glad i went the snus route first. I cannot believe it is healthy to inhale water vapor into human lungs on a daily basis.Isn't that akin to drowning yourself daily??, just my 2cents..

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                    • snusgetter
                      Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 10903

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bipolarbear1968 View Post
                      Competeing with RJ Reynolds, are we?

                      Definitely cheaper than competing with Nicorette.

                      Imagine our costs if we had to fund all the FDA testing regs?
                      We'd have to take out a second mortgage to get our nic hits!

                      My bad ... it's almost at that stage now thanks to PACTCRAP!!

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                      • CoderGuy
                        Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 2679

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Curtisp View Post
                        I have 3 friend/ co workers who e-cig. They "vape" as they call it constantly, because they say they don't get their nic crave satisfied. You can buy e-juice with nicotine, or flavored juice with no nicotine. As evidenced by their wet coughs, i am glad i went the snus route first. I cannot believe it is healthy to inhale water vapor into human lungs on a daily basis.Isn't that akin to drowning yourself daily??, just my 2cents..
                        I started to go the e-cig route before turning to snus and I never got my nic craving and the maintenance and upkeep was way more than it was worth. Had it not been for snus I would have turned back to smoking.

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                        • snusgetter
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                          • May 2010
                          • 10903

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Curtisp View Post
                          I have 3 friend/ co workers who e-cig. They "vape" as they call it constantly, because they say they don't get their nic crave satisfied. You can buy e-juice with nicotine, or flavored juice with no nicotine. As evidenced by their wet coughs, i am glad i went the snus route first. I cannot believe it is healthy to inhale water vapor into human lungs on a daily basis.Isn't that akin to drowning yourself daily??, just my 2cents..
                          And a well-spent 2cents it is...


                          Vaping V-8?? Kahlua?

                          NAH!

                          I'll stick to my vacuum-marinated snus, thank you.

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                          • dEFinitionofEPIC
                            Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 146

                            #14
                            Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post
                            I started to go the e-cig route before turning to snus and I never got my nic craving and the maintenance and upkeep was way more than it was worth. Had it not been for snus I would have turned back to smoking.
                            Hear Hear. The e-cig, to me, was a novelty item at best. There may have been nicotine in those cartridges but no matter how much I puffed I found no satisfaction...something was definitely missing. And you're right...the upkeep sucks...I was blowing atomizers left and right....waaaaaay too inconvenient to be a replacement vice. Besides, everyone who's sucking down that vapor right now is a guinea pig. The pg in the cartridges is assumed safe...but what about the flavorings and the effect of the atomizer on the liquid? Plus, with no regulation there is no way of knowing that the cartridges are not contaminated with other things that are not listed as ingredients.

                            I absolutely do not condone the banning of e-cigs, as there is a lot of promise for them in the future... but they just didn't do it for me...and I don't want to be a guinea pig...

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                            • c.nash
                              Banned Users
                              • May 2010
                              • 3511

                              #15
                              This is halarious..

                              People are just trying to get money out of anything they can, especially the government.

                              Oh well. They'll do what they want and of course we'll just have to deal with it.

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