E-Cigs

[tom502]

Well, one good thing about the Njoy e-cig is it's very simple. It has the battery(long white "body" with lit tip), and just a screw on self-contained cartridge. And that's it. Charge the battery, screw on the cartridge, and it's good to go.

[Snuts]

I had about 8 e-cigs Joye 510. It was alright for a few weeks. I had black ones, white ones and silver ones, with blue or red light. I tend to exagerate a bit.

I spent a lot of money ordering liquids and batteries and those atomizers, most of them from China and also some from the UK.

It's was a good experience because it kept me out of "analogic cigs" for a short period of time.

We can do our own liquids, with the amount of nicotine we choose and with all flavours you can possible imagine.

My desk seemed like a pharmacy with all the parafernalia I had.

One day I simply stop using it and returned to Marlboro. I can't explain you why, but all of the sudden I was tired of it. I realized that what I really liked in it was all the experiences I could make, I didn't stick to one flavour, I carried 2 or 3 diferent flavours with me along with de PCC box and the USB cable.

Finally I sold all I had and I recovered part of the investiment I had made, more than 250 €.

Some months later I started looking with more attention to the snus stuff that some guys talked in the e-cigs foruns and here i am.

Between snus and e-cigs I choose snus. But if you are curious about it give it a try.

[tom502]

I remember when they 1st became around, they were real expensive, and the idea of atomizers and liquids and stuff turned me off. But now they are cheap and easy.

[Crow]

but you guys have to check this out. What a big waste of time and money.
A plug in smoke. Didn't they try this stuff in the early 2000's with a plastic cig that you put a cartridge into and it didn't work? I guess they just added a water vapor to that. Talk about inconvenient.
http://e-cig.com/shopping/shopcontent.asp?type=Home

I don't know about the other electronic cigarette manufacturers, but I would highly recommend that you avoid THIS company. When I received mine, it didn't work at all (the LED would light-up when you inhale, but it didn't work)... and they don't honor their warranty. So I chucked it in the garbage (huge waste of money). Also, that company is located in China (and the shipping was expensive).

I might give another brand a chance sometime in the future, but the snus is working just fine for me.

Besides, from what I understand, the atomizers don't last... Maybe I would pull the trigger if there was a reputable e-cigarette that offered a no-bullshit lifetime warranty on their atomizers/batteries.

[tom502]

For around $25 I think my Njoy Classic was worth it. Even if it died right now. Puffin' on it now. Their menthol has a mint like taste.

[rickcharles606]

I would consider one just for the novelty, and to piss off as many anti smoking nazis as I could, lol

[chainsnuser]

The e-cig forum has 15 times as many members as snuson. I wonder, if that reflects the number of users, or if there's just more need for advise, because the users

- can't get the fiddly devices to work properly
- don't get enough nicotine out of that obscure "liquids"
- can not really use them freely in all no-smoking-areas as advertised
- have concerns about the long term health effects.
- ...

All that are problems that you don't have with snus. Nothing really needs to be learned, even lössnus can be mastered within a few days by everyone, you get more nicotine than you need, no problem with smoke-free environments, and hundreds of medical studies showing that the heath risks for a snuser are about as high as the health-risks of a coffee-drinker.

Personally, I find e-cigs absolutely freaky and wouldn't even use them for the novelty.

But it seems that they're far more popular than snus. Stubby2 pointed out in another thread that this could be because there's no stigma attached to e-cigs (yet) unlike smokeless tobacco. But I wonder, are people really that simple minded? I mean, yeah, if the anti-tobacco workers behaved like reasonable scientists, I might believe everything they say about smokeless tobacco, but they are telling ridiculous horror-stories that even children should not believe, if they have half a brain. They don't back up anything with verifiable data.

Or is it that we snusers are the "freaks" and the use of Chinese liquids in little vaporizing machines is so much more natural than putting a pinch of an air-dried, ground plant under the lip?

Really, the popularity of e-cigs is absolutely beyond my scope, but I would say, that the e-cig users are our natural allies against the anti-tobacco-nazis and their psychotic view of the world. We shouldn't make fun about e-cig users. Maybe there's just more advertising for e-cigs and most people still need to hear about snus.

Cheers!

[tom502]

I think past smokers just want to smoke, and this allows them to. Many people can't comprehend oral tobacco, so an e-cig is easier and cleaner in their minds, and mimics the smoking act.

[Snuts]

Maybe there's just more advertising for e-cigs and most people still need to hear about snus.

Agree. Talking again about my experience, I started using the e-cigs because I read so much about them in diferent foruns, even portuguese and brazilian foruns. And now they are selling it in some tobacco stores around here. And it was in a e-cig forum that I heard the word snus for the first time.

Even my friends have heard about e-cigs and nothing about snus. When I show them my cans they thought I was showing them another inovating product or something like that.

I haven't found any portuguese or brazilian foruns or discussions about snus I garantee you that.

Maybe I should start one myself.

Who do I have to speak to send me some cans to advertise...

[Crow]

I found a website that offers a lifetime warranty (and they're based in the US... Virginia, to be exact):

Automatic - http://www.nosmokeva.com/v510a
Manual - http://www.nosmokeva.com/product/V510P

Unconditional Life Time Warranty. If your battery no longer takes a charge or your atomizer stops working, you won’t have to purchase a new battery, atomizer or charger. Our warranty covers our batteries, atomizers, USB and 110vac wall chargers, and our 12vdc car chargers. Just bring or ship the defective component to us and we will give, or ship a brand new replacement to you at no cost, we even pay the cost of shipping the replacement to you. No other e-cigarette manufacturer in the world offers this type of warranty. When you purchase the Vapormaxx you will never have to buy another e-cigarette or e-cigarette component for the rest of your life, and we Guaranty it.

They sell two models (one with an automatic battery, and one with a manual battery)... From what I understand, the manual battery has a button you need to press in order to use it, whereas the automatic will kick in once you start inhaling. They're both priced the same, so what's the difference? Is one better than the other?

[rickcharles606]

I also believe more people turn to e-cigs because of the myth that smokeless tobacco of ALL kinds, has been so widely propagated. So many people (smokers in general) are reluctant to use smokeless because they've been told for so long that it will kill them. Another factor IMO is that smokers are accustomed to the "hand to mouth" motion already, so it's not that far of a stretch.

[Crow]

From what I understand, the manual battery has a button you need to press in order to use it, whereas the automatic will kick in once you start inhaling. They're both priced the same, so what's the difference? Is one better than the other?

Found the answer... The automatic has a 6 second cut-off, whereas the manual has a 13 second cut-off.

I think 6 seconds is plenty of time for a draw, and its automatic... 13 seconds is overkill.

If I get one, I'll probably use it on days when I feel like switching. I've already grown accustomed to snus, and I love it [great tasting, very satisfying]. I can see the e-cigarette being a companion (and not as a replacement) to snusing.

[CoderGuy]

Found the answer... The automatic has a 6 second cut-off, whereas the manual has a 13 second cut-off.

I think 6 seconds is plenty of time for a draw, and its automatic... 13 seconds is overkill.

If I get one, I'll probably use it on days when I feel like switching. I've already grown accustomed to snus, and I love it [great tasting, very satisfying]. I can see the e-cigarette being a companion (and not as a replacement) to snusing.

I can tell you from experience the manual is much better. The problem with the automatic is the internal switch fails a lot, also with the internal you have to draw to get it to turn on where with the manual you can push the button before you draw and get more vapor.

[Crow]

Do you have to hold down the button while you use it, or is it single press, then take a draw?

[GoVegan]

I would buy an e cig in a second if it actually felt like smoking a regular cigarette. Are there any unbiased reviews out there about e cigs?