e cigs extremely deadly dont fool yourself

[VocalEK]

How many died?

In re: Title of this thread -- Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until someone has died before labeling an entire line of products "deadly"?

I hardly know where to start. I guess, let's just take the OP sentence by sentence.

Im discusted this shit has been given out for free and even promoted on tv like fox news (surprise) as a completely safe vaporization product safe enough even for kids.

a) It's unfortunate that your first introduction to the product was via one of the flim-flam companies. On E-cigarette-forum.com, folks are advised to avoid so-called free trials, because they most often turn out to be anything but free. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...ee-trials.html
b) There are many cleverly-disguised advertisements on the web that appear to be news items. Fox News doesn't promote electronic cigarettes. Here is an example: http://adphealthinsights.com/are-ele...hy/index4b.php
c) Safe enough for kids? Where did you see that? Reputable e-cigarette vendors refuse to sell to anyone under the legal age for smoking.

Well well well i knew it-i was sent one for free an me my wife and friend took one puff and all agreed it taste like death.

Like regular cigarettes, electronic cigarette liquids and pre-filled cartridges are available in a wide variety of flavors and nicotine strengths. And like regular cigarettes, there is no universal agreement on what tastes good and what tastes bad. What if someone had never tasted coffee, and based their opinion on what coffee tastes like by buying a cup from a vending machine? The taste would be a far cry from a cup of brewed Maxwell House, or from a Starbucks Latte Grande, no?

Surprise fda finds not only due they not vaporize they heat up too much not to mention the multiple carcinogens found in nic cartidges including the kind of glycol thats antifreeze (Nice!)

Raise your hand if you believe that the Government always tells you the truth. Anyone? For a complete explanation of what the FDA found and--more importantly--did not find in electronic cigarettes, see: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...ndanger-health

Not to mentio fact your drawing heat through plastic theirbye inhailing plastic fumes

Actually, you're not inhaling plastic fumes. The atomizer has a metal body. By the time the vapor makes it into the plastic mouthpiece, it's quite cool. Researchers reviewed the results of 16 toxicology studies of vapor and concluded, "A preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products. We conclude that electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality.”
Link to article published in the Journal of Public Health Policy: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-...ticle.jphp.pdf

Even if they vaped lke is claimed your inhailing all kinds of disease causing chemicals (again antifreeze) stay the **** away due your body a favor and smoke an organic smoke like AM or a nice cigar this is poison even according to fda

The chemical that creates the visible mist is Propylene Glycol (PG), which is used as an air sanitizer in hospitals. In other words, it kills disease-causing germs! All of the ingredients in the liquid (PG, vegetable glycerin, water, food-grade flavorings, and nicotine) are ingredients in FDA-approved products. Many folks mistakenly believe that the nicotine causes all the smoking-related diseases.

In fact, it is the smoke itself that causes all the health problems. Whenever you burn an organic substance, a chemical process turns some of the burned substance into tar, poisonous gasses like carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of new chemicals created by the process of combustion itself. The process of combustion reorganizes molecules into chemicals that were not present in the unburned material. These include such things as formaldehyde, arsenic, and many other toxic and carcinogenic materials. This happens regardless of what substance is being burned: tobacco, hemp, lettuce, newspaper, etc.

E-cigarettes use the process of vaporization, not combustion. No new chemicals are created in the vaporization process. The only thing that happens is that the substance in the cartridge changes from the liquid state into the gas state (vapor).

My story: After 45 years of smoking, my lungs were starting to show the harmful effects of inhaling tar, particulates, and all the other junk in smoke. I was having trouble falling asleep because my wheezing was so loud. I was coughing up a nasty glob of phlegm every morning. I became easily winded. By the way, the last several years that I smoked, I had switched to an "organic" cigarette that has no added chemicals. It didn't help. I tried countless times to quit, using every treatment and method you can think of. Three years ago, I switched to an electronic cigarette. At first it was a struggle, but I figured out that the problem was that I was not getting enough nicotine. I began ordering liquid and refilling my cartridges myself. I could not find a flavor that matched up to the flavor of the tobacco cigarette I used to smoke. One time a vendor included a small sample bottle of "English Toffee" flavored liquid. I was dubious, but I tried it and found out that it was much better than a tobacco flavor that didn't quite measure up. These days, I use 24 mg. nicotine and my favorite flavors are peach and blackberry.

The nightime wheezing is gone, and so is the morning cough. Oh, and now I can enjoy a good belly laugh without going into an embarrassing coughing jag. So if that sounds unhealthy to you, by all means avoid electronic cigarettes. But if you do decide you want to give them a try, go to e-cigarette-forum first. Do some research. Get some help picking out the right starter kit and the right type of liquid to suit your needs.

BTW. I do not sell or profit in any way from the sale of electronic cigarettes. I head up a non-profit organization dedicated to providing the public with information about smoke-free alternatives such as electronic cigarettes, snus, other smokeless tobacco products, and even NRTs. Any of these can be substituted for smoking and reduce your risks of smoking related disease by up to 99%. Check out the web site: casaa.org

[slipmeamickyyo]

Ok i partialy agree with some of whats been said not all let me clarify. I alson think adults should educate themselves and be able to consume anything they choose including meth and also agree that real truthful warnings should ne on things known to be poison. However i disgress that i have a few problems with whats been said here, and also want to note id be discusted if they were allowed to sell antifreeze containing sodas EVEN if labled as such.
Also thete is no anti ecig propaganda its fact that they contain numerous carcinogens its not funded by any anti anything its what fda truthfully found in them

[chainsnuser]

Doctors made smoking socially acceptable, they even promoted it as healthy.

Doctors turned smokeless tobacco into a niche product and said that it's unhealthy in many regards.

Doctors now are trying to trick people to think that e-cigs are unhealthy.

And of course, everything a doctor says can be excused by the fact that he or she has been fooled by tobacco companies. Hahaha!

Yeah, I can't help but to give a shit on what doctors say. I have the greatest respect for the special skills of physical doctors, namely to cure diseases (to their best knowledge), but I don't think that they're experts when it comes to the prevention of diseases. It's neither in their business nor in their education. Yet they seemingly think they're experts for everything.

Don't get me wrong, I personally find e-cigs as unappealing as it gets. I've never taken a single puff from such a device and before I'd do, I'd rather smoke a real cigarette again after (now) more than 4 years smoke free.

But these devices help many people to quit cigarettes, people who (for what crazy reason ever) are hesitant to try snus (or any other kind of smokeless tobacco). It's not our business to make fun about e-cig users or to replicate the anti-e-cig-propaganda, which is surely financed by tax money from the pharma industry and cigarette companies. E-cig-users are our natural allies against the anti-tobacco-nazis. Most of them are pretty brainwashed (otherwise they would rather try smokeless tobacco than such a freaky vaporizing device) but after all they are using a tobacco product (highly altered, of course, and probably contaminated with unknown chemicals).

Well, just my thoughts.

Cheers!

[spinyeel]

I think E-Cigs should not even rate a mention on a gentleman's Snus forum.Tut Tut!

[precious007]

e-cigs are not even the real experience if we'd compare them to smokes -

it's nothing even near cigarettes, they taste awful, they make your throat soar and top it they expensive and now it comes up that they're deadly -

I'd rather stay away from such nicotine delivery devices.

Snus is so much better and safer than anything else so why risk it?

e-cigs taste more like hookah IMO

[SnusoMatic]

i am glad that when i quit smoking i had not yet heard of ecigs. i had been quit long enough when i did hear of them that i decided that smoking them might lead me back to regular cigs. it seems like for me ecigs would keep me on hold until i slipped back. with snus it would feel wrong to smoke again. sure, its all in my head but thats what most of it is anyway.

far as are ecigs safe goes.... i am not smart enough to figure that one out. my gut instinct is that there are probably bad things that will come out later. i tend to agree with slipmeamickyyo that the plastic cant be good. common sense and years of street drug use tells me the nicotine liquid is not created equal. i bet there are some good clean liquid out there and i bet their is some that would gag a maggot if he knew what was in it.

i agree that adults with all their mind should be able to do pretty much whatever they want to do. at the same time we pay the FDA to do a job. Part of that job is to warn us of things that are being sold claiming "good" when in reality it is poison. most of us would agree that cigarettes are bad for a persons health. But lets say cigarette makers claimed smoking was as safe as breathing air. I would expect the FDA to let the cat out of the bag about that. if you want to smoke them i won't stand in your way but you should know it's bad for you.

i also think of the older person who has smoked so long that quitting seems impossible. ecigs are probably better for that person that a camel non-filter. so why not let them have ecigs?

with all that said, the government don't care about your or my health. they care if we pay taxes. there is no tax on ecigs as far as i know. so the cynical side of me says tax ecigs and the gov won't hinder their sales.

[Monkey]

I can't support the ban of anything an educated consumer buys. I'm down with truth in labeling, and legitimate claims for and against specific products people may be interested in, but it should always be up to the individual whether they partake or not.

I choose not to use technological "tobacco". I don't think it's especially bad for you, but the potential is there, especially with many supplies coming from China. My complaint is mainly with aesthetics. There's no art in Ecigs, nicotine gum, or patches. It's just a drug delivery system.

Plus one.

+1 is too darn short......

[Bigblue1]

Check out the water aisle next time you're at the the store. You can score store brands of flavored water for ~60¢ litre; orange is my favorite. It's just like soda, but no sweetness. If you go that route, be careful. Many times they have the crappy synthetic stuff close by, and they look similar. It's easy to grab the wrong thing.

Yeah, I always by the store brand. Here it is .79 for a liter which is half of canada dry or Seagrams...... But yeah you gotta watch what you buy. They are for some reason trying to cram aspartame down our throats. Don't even get me started on "fluoridated" water. Which isn't even sodium fluoride it is a mess of chemicals. I'm just happy to have a well and septic with a r02. I hate the fact that we have to be so vigilant tho........

[lxskllr]

I drink some seltzer too, but I always by the regular and add some lemon or lime if in the mood. Oh and vodka sometimes......

Check out the water aisle next time you're at the the store. You can score store brands of flavored water for ~60¢ litre; orange is my favorite. It's just like soda, but no sweetness. If you go that route, be careful. Many times they have the crappy synthetic stuff close by, and they look similar. It's easy to grab the wrong thing.

[voodooman]

ooops

[voodooman]

I can't support the ban of anything an educated consumer buys.

i was getting ready to jump on him for that too.
i don't care the least what other people ingest if they are an "educated consumer" as you put it. "banning" something is almost always wrong.
i'm also right with you guys on the aspartame thing. pure poison. if i accidentally ingest even a little, (real easy to do) i get instant headache.

[Bigblue1]

The same thing happened to me. I usually thoroughly read ingredient labels, but I saw some Irish sparkling water at BigLots. I was especially interested in the peach, and got the last 4 bottles they had. Well, it wasn't just flavored water like I expected. It was also sweet as shit, and full of aspertame. I was pissed at myself for allowing it to happen. I usually see past bullshit, but I allowed myself to be seduced by label appearance, and didn't check further. Same as you. It was marked as having natural flavor, and no calories. I KNOW that "no calories" is code for artificially sweetened, but it /looked/ like unsweetened seltzer I usually get, and it was Irish! :^S

They are being purposely deceptive. And it makes you wonder why. I really think it is about getting us "the enlightened" to ingest the poison. Like I said if I'm in a hurry and want to know if it's safe or not I read the calorie line which is usually 1st. If it's got a bunch i'll drink it. I usually only drink water and beer but that isn't always feasible. So if I crave a bit of caffeine and sugar for a pick me up. I now make sure that is what I'm gonna get.....

[lxskllr]

Walking thru the grocery store noticed a drink. It was labeled "all natural" I never drink these things but figured why not? Well upon first gulp I could taste the noxious chemical sweetener.

The same thing happened to me. I usually thoroughly read ingredient labels, but I saw some Irish sparkling water at BigLots. I was especially interested in the peach, and got the last 4 bottles they had. Well, it wasn't just flavored water like I expected. It was also sweet as shit, and full of aspertame. I was pissed at myself for allowing it to happen. I usually see past bullshit, but I allowed myself to be seduced by label appearance, and didn't check further. Same as you. It was marked as having natural flavor, and no calories. I KNOW that "no calories" is code for artificially sweetened, but it /looked/ like unsweetened seltzer I usually get, and it was Irish! :^S

[Bigblue1]

I've never liked 'technological" alternatives. Won't touch aspertame with a 50 ft pole. About 5 months ago I was really thirsty and dragging a bit during the holidsy season. Walking thru the grocery store noticed a drink. It was labeled "all natural" I never drink these things but figured why not? Well upon first gulp I could taste the noxious chemical sweetener. I was pissed to say the least and turned the can around to scan The "nutritional" label. Low and behold aspaertame. WTF? Why wasn't it jabeled as such in a way I would notice? it's a joke. Now When I am considering a purchase of candy or drinks I always look at the calories first. If it seems to have a reasonable amount of calories for what it is I'll move forward if it says 10 or zero I go to the ingredient list.

Oh and anyone remember Olestra in WOW frito lays. I believe the fake fat that we were all gonna love regardless of the anal leakage. My god the shit the "FDA" allows us to have........

[precious007]

technological "tobacco".

it's more like technological nicotine, lmao

no tobacco there, that's why it sucks :^)