Question regarding Northerner and back taxes

[GoVegan]

Im gonna kick your ass next april

It really isn't a big issue. I started snus in 9/2009 and maybe, at the most, spent about $500.00 in total. Now the tax is 45% of the wholesale cost which should be around $200-$250 leaving me with a tax liability of about $100.00. You have to remember that in California, the tax is based on the wholesale cost. So, unless you have spent thousands on snus I wouldn't worry about it.

[snusgetter]

Lol i was just joking, incase that wasnt clear (suckers)

Either way, paypal isnt required by law to report to the state like tobacco retailers now are.

It was clear, which is why I even commented.

Paypal need not report, just as CC cos are not obligated...
the states just need to go after the actual suppliers.

btw, a new snus poster?

[GoVegan]

I would die laughing if Fredrik came on this thread and made some comment like "We can't find your orders because the Feds took them and your screwed"!

[snusgetter]

I would die laughing if Fredrik came on this thread and made some comment like "We can't find your orders because the Feds took them and your screwed"!

[SnusoMatic]

the law is not reto active. if the gov wants to see sales before a law is in effect to require them to be sent to the gov, the law would need a warrant or subpoena. Subpoenas are normally not given in a blanket manner, iow "send me all your customers names who have not paid taxes"=no. "Send me "Joe Blow's" buying records because we are making a case on him for something"=yes. If the shop is in another country just bringing up the subject is a joke, it ain't happening. now, here is the everyday, general way this works......... it ain't happening, not with our current laws and ways of tracking taxes. do you think ***** snus shop wants to turn you in for not paying your snus tax? oh sure, lets turn in our customers, we will lose them right away and the rest will quit us within a few days after they hear about what we did. but hey, i am sure you paid your snus taxes just like i did so we have nothing to worry about anyway

[danielan]

do you think ***** snus shop wants to turn you in for not paying your snus tax? oh sure, lets turn in our customers, we will lose them right away and the rest will quit us within a few days after they hear about what we did.

I'd worry less about malice then I would bad requirements leading to improper reporting.

PACT requires 4 years of records to be collected and available, presumably with collection beginning on 29 June. What's the chance that the programmer is told, "we need a report that shows the last 4 years of orders" and writes this as "today - 4 years" when they write the query?

Also, your subpoena example has happened (more or less - lawsuits to get the customer lists) in MA several times already at online smoke shops.

[SnusoMatic]

I'd worry less about malice then I would bad requirements leading to improper reporting.

PACT requires 4 years of records to be collected and available, presumably with collection beginning on 29 June. What's the chance that the programmer is told, "we need a report that shows the last 4 years of orders" and writes this as "today - 4 years" when they write the query?

Also, your subpoena example has happened (more or less - lawsuits to get the customer lists) in MA several times already at online smoke shops.

i would not worry about mistakes in reporting. any business person who is worth their salt would catch a mistake like that. well let me put it this way, anyone who has made it in business for years has dealt with these types of things many times. for example, i never send any government requested data direct to the gov, i always send it through one of my attorneys. also, in this situation getsnus is the only online "snus shop" which has been located in the states. i guess there could be a slight chance of something "going wrong" and a person getting hit for back taxes if they live in one of the tobacco fanatic states. My state taxes are so low that if i had not already paid my tobacco taxes (which i have) and had to pay four years of back taxes it would be hardly anything...... fed and state about $500 on a roll a week for four years. i just pay mine as i go and forget it.

Do you have an example of a lawsuit? i very interested in such things. internet law is screwy and changes quick. i think as a free people internet law is going to be the death of a lot of liberty (in the true sense), freedom and privacy. not to mention the blurring of geographical jurisdiction. Anyway, i am interested.

[danielan]

fed and state about $500 on a roll a week for four years. i just pay mine as i go and forget it.

Yeah, I'm in decent shape too, I just started in April, I have low taxes anyway, etc. But this could be catastrophic for a long-time snuser in someplace with high taxes (tobacco + sales/use) who hasn't taken care of it as they go by the time you add up the taxes + interest + fines.

Do you have an example of a lawsuit? i very interested in such things. internet law is screwy and changes quick. i think as a free people internet law is going to be the death of a lot of liberty (in the true sense), freedom and privacy. not to mention the blurring of geographical jurisdiction. Anyway, i am interested.

Not proper citations - I just ran across them a few weeks ago while looking for something else and didn't save links - you could start here and probably find them fast enough: http://www.smokersclubinc.com/module...ticle&sid=2166

[tombanjo]

Just saw this article and it made me think of this thread, although it's not the exact same issue at play.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20009603-38.html

[GoVegan]

Whats up with Massachusetts? It doesn't sound like you can even go to the bathroom there without paying some kind of tax.

[snusgetter]

Whats up with Massachusetts? It doesn't sound like you can even go to the bathroom there without paying some kind of tax.

....shush...

we don't need to give our taxocrats any more ideas!!

There are already enough reasons why we're known as Taxachusetts.

[snusgetter]

The Pilgrims would never believe the shape we're in!!

Just saw this article and it made me think of this thread, although it's not the exact same issue at play.

Tom, as the article articulates, it's just another side o' the coin...

July 2, 2010 12:28 PM PDT
"Democrats push for new Internet sales taxes"

The halcyon days of tax-free Internet shopping will, if Rep. Bill Delahunt gets his way, soon be coming to an abrupt end.

Delahunt, a Massachusetts Democrat, introduced a bill on Thursday that would rewrite the ground rules for Internet and mail order sales by eliminating the option for many Americans to shop over the Internet without paying state sales taxes.

Delahunt's bill: the "Main Street Fairness Act"

Like I said...

we don't need to give our taxocrats any more ideas!!

Their inherent greed manifests itself on an almost-hourly basis
when it comes to our hard-earned money...

News at 11..



(No sarcasm here ... just the cold, hard truth!!)

[GENERAL BILLY]

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....shush...

we don't need to give our [ATTACH=CONFIG]417[/ATTACH] taxocrats any more ideas!!

There are already enough reasons why we're known as Taxachusetts.

All Mass residents imagine a world where the government doesn't rob you every ten minutes, where your car isn't towed for no apparent reason, where flies, no matter there color don't bite you. Where you don't have to pay to get off of the T. Now get on 93 and head north and see the promise the world can hold.

[snusgetter]

All Mass residents imagine a world where the government doesn't rob you every ten minutes, where your car isn't towed for no apparent reason, where flies, no matter there color don't bite you. Where you don't have to pay to get off of the T. Now get on 93 and head north and see the promise the world can hold.

If it weren't for the cold ...
(now I sound like a Floridian!)

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