No Cuban Snus for US

[bcsiegl]

I just tried placing an order at northerner and included 1 can of Romeo y Julieta and at the checkout i rec'd a message "due to customs regulations ... some item(s) can NOT be shipped ... and have been removed from your cart..." :x
Zero perhaps you could expound on the "wisdom" :roll: if US policy :wink:

[Cap'n SnusBeard]

The US has had a complete trade embargo against Cuba and Cuban goods for... ages, really. Probably since the missile crisis, or something.

[Edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...o_against_Cuba
That's why you're not getting yer snus!

[carotevi]

Yea the US has had that thing since I was just a little kid back in 62 i think. We can't get anything from Cuba legal as far as I know. No cigars or anything at all. I did buy and receive some of the Romeo y Julieta snus back when they first started selling it. I wondered then if it was legal or not and I guess it was not haha.

Back in the 60's through maybe the 80's the law may have made sense but to me it seems outdated now. Regardless i bet if you really wanted some Romeo y Julieta you could order it from some other snus shop and get it (if you hurry before customs catches on).

[Zero]

Re: No Cuban Snus for US

Zero perhaps you could expound on the "wisdom" :roll: if US policy :wink:

I could, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it :lol: It's much more comfortable, considering what has been done to that country, believing that Castro is an evil, nasty communist, I suppose, so that's at least what's meant to be the story.

[orangewhip]

i ordered some of this a few months ago from northerner and got mine no problem. as far as the cuba embargo goes, we have all kinds of trade with china. basically us sending them our jobs and buying their products. and them fuc*ing us up the ass, without a reach-around. based on this, the cuba embargo is silly.

[PrisMaster]

I could of swore i bought a tin of the Romeo y Julieta about a week ago and when i went to check on the delivery status at northerner.com it was not on there. I could have mistaken it and not put it in my order but im almost positive i did. I do not remember getting a message saying anything either so i sent Northerner a message asking what was up. Still waiting to hear back. Its a real bummer because i have heard a ton of good things about this brand and was really looking forward to trying it.

[standfast]

Re: No Cuban Snus for US

Zero perhaps you could expound on the "wisdom" :roll: if US policy :wink:

I could, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it :lol: It's much more comfortable, considering what has been done to that country, believing that Castro is an evil, nasty communist, I suppose, so that's at least what's meant to be the story.

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[Master Chief]

can you say 'anger management'?
calm down man, what the hell is your problem? Theres nothing wrong with what they are saying u douche.
im from the states as well idiot, and u dont see me getting all upset.
you're probably one of those people that actually supports Bush and the so-called war in iraq.
they should be trying to find osama instead of trying to spread democracy to a place where religous views will tear the country apart, and actually that is already happening because of the stupid wall they built.

[Cap'n SnusBeard]

I've come to the conclusion that standfast is the single greatest member of this forum.

[standfast]

can you say 'anger management'?
calm down man, what the hell is your problem? Theres nothing wrong with what they are saying u douche.
im from the states as well idiot, and u dont see me getting all upset.
you're probably one of those people that actually supports Bush and the so-called war in iraq.
they should be trying to find osama instead of trying to spread democracy to a place where religous views will tear the country apart, and actually that is already happening because of the stupid wall they built.

mmmmmmmm.........so who are you to talk to me?Or any of us for that mater?How old are you?Now,I dont trust any person 100% not even myself!Only one,and I dont believe that one after I KILL anyone and die myself will give me virgins and true happiness!OK,that being said ........HOW OLD ARE YOU....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...I believe you said 16.........now if you are a UNITED STATES CITIZEN.......from the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA................................................ ...........................that means you are illegal to have or use tobacco or buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Now who will be held responsible for that.....your parents and also whom ever you you got or bought it from.So you are in a snus forum....NOW I have known many CHIEF MASTER SARGENTS!NOW WHOM EVER YOU BELONG TOO!TAKE THIS LITTLE CHILD THAT YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO LOVE AND PUT HIM BACK ON YOUR TIT IF WHAT HE IS SHOWING US IS TRUE..........THEN WE WILL FIND ONE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zero]

they should be trying to find osama instead of trying to spread democracy

The extent of the lies of the administration make themselves clear in this comment. In the world of politics you have to start to realise that almost everything politicians say is, more or less, a lie - or at least a truth made to be interpreted in the context of other lies. People like to joke about it, but especially in the area of geopolitics it is very much true. They shouldn't be trying to find Osama - they already know exactly where he is. He's a CIA asset, not their enemy. He did what the CIA wanted, not something they tried to prevent.

Al Qaeda has been around since the Soviet war in Afghanistan - they were created by the US government to "fight the commies" (aka:to secure the country's lucrative real-estate in the heart of oil country and to control the heroin trade before the Russians did). They've been around so long that almost every intelligence agency in the world is penetrated into the organisation - Al Qaeda can't sneeze without every spook in the world knowing about it. The Russians, the Israelis, the Germans...all of these countries warned the US about the attacks, said exactly what they were and when they were coming but nothing was done. Nothing was done because the US also knew what was going on because they were making plans to let it happen and to help it along its way. Finding Osama won't fix anything because Osama isn't the problem - he's just another tool doing what he is told.

Spreading democracy is another one of these catch-all lies. The US administration has never cared about spreading democracy. As I've noted before, they've worked to overthrow about 12 democratically elected governments in the past 50 years or so. On top of that, they've also supported terrorists, guerillas, and brutal dictators with money, weapons, and training. That goes for the Republicans AND the Democrats - it doesn't matter. Even Clinton was up to his elbows in dirty, bloody business. The reasons are always purely for geostrategic advantage - generally control of valuable resources (oil and drugs, chiefly) or to control important territory (panama canal, afghan pipeline route, etc). Oil is obvious but drugs maybe aren't. I won't go into it, but basically the US economy is propped up with incredible amounts of drug money (check the Dow Jones average leading up to afghanistan in 2001 and see what it did in the months and years following the restoration of the massive heroin trade from there). The argument is a bit heavy in the theory of economics, but if anyone is interested I'll go into it.

At any rate, something I'm desperate to get Americans to realise is that the problem isn't "out there" - it's not some gang of loopy muslims strapped with bombs who are causing the problems America is tied up in, it's America's thoroughly corrupt and evil leaders who are doing it and have been doing it for decades. Just please, for the sake of the planet, vote for Ron Paul - the man is totally founding-father material and, if they don't kill him, physically or politically, he could be the guy to save the country from itself. :shock:


Dow Jones crashes between 2001-2003

world loses heroin crop of 2001 because of the Taliban. Note when production starts - 1986, when America and Saudi Arabia got heavily involved in the Afghan war...paid for by (you guessed it) heroin money!.

[llewelynt]

Just please, for the sake of the planet, vote for Ron Paul

Zero, I'm with you up to this point. My family are from the UK originally, I was born in the US, but have lived in both places. I say this to hopefully suggest that I have a broader view than Americans who haven't left the country, haven't seen the US from the outside. The US is truly disfunctional, and in no way is a crackpot Libertarian ****head like Ron Paul going to fix that. The last thing we need is someone who will shut down social programs and be an even bigger xenophobe than his GOP buddies.

Surely you must be joking.

[Zero]

He's a libertarian but he's also keen on economics. While non-americans, I'll agree, generally have a better grasp of the foreign policy of the US, I would go so far as to say that almost nobody, american or not, outside of academics and very small minority of pundits and geeks actually understand economics enough to grasp how bad the US financial trouble is right now. Foreign obligations are something like $60-70 trillion USD - that's pure debt, above and beyond the "bank balance debt".

America, if she were a person, is in the state of having ten credit cards, maxed out to full whack, still half-drunk at the party and with at least another month's worth of borrowed good times to ride on, but to not stop at that point and think about cutting your spending is starting to border on foolish, almost pathological, denial. The reality of the situation is that America is rich right now for a few very good reasons :

USD$ = petrodollars.

Oil trade was done in US dollars so everyone wanted dollars. The more dollars there are, the more you can print up without anyone noticing (keeping inflation inconspicuous). This means you can tax everyone who has US dollars by simply diluting the currency and being the first to use the new stock. America profits. The low and middle classes suffer the worst (currency worth less, prices go up).

The other profits from US dollars being petrodollars comes from the fact that the US has been able to give away US dollars for goods and services supplied by foreign nations and they never want anything back. The US gives out paper money that they print off and they get hard goods in return. The person who took those dollars simply keeps them and uses them as "tokens" to buy oil and the money just shuffles around. Nobody ever goes back to the US with those dollars and asks for something back. The trade deficit with China is an excellent example of this. America profits - free money (or free debt, rather...)

Maintaining that system of control, however, has come at the price of imperialism and hegemony - the dozens of wars and conflicts in South America, the Middle East, and Africa are testament to this. It's the protection money of street thugs. The big danger is, of course, peak oil, which will take the bottom out of the US dollar and, if things carry on as they are, will cause an economic depression that will make the '30s look like times of plenty. You're 20 meters from a lethally precipitous cliff going 100km/h... jumping out of the car at that speed is obviously a dangerous and stupid thing to do, but carrying on doing what you were doing before would be suicide. Ron Paul, I think, takes the route of stupid, but the best chance there is of keeping things from becoming their worst. He's certainly miles ahead of the other Republican candidates - who are all doublespeak, lies, and inane political platitudes.

The strongest thing about Ron Paul, though, is that he convinces me that he's not just an educated and intelligent man, but also an unfailingly honest and genuine person. He sounds like he'll actually do what he says he'll do - something I rarely ever believe of politicians. He's certainly got the decades of public record to prove it. He's also rational and open to debate, compromise, and is ultimately a supporter of democracy and constitutional law - he'll respect the wishes of the people so it's not like Bush where you get your one shot to vote him in and then just pray for four years while he steadfastly goes bats**t crazy on a beeline down his own political path to destruction.

I'd love to see Paul vs. Obama in the election, I think you would really see some serious and meaningful debate come out of that.

[llewelynt]

About now some are wondering if Barack Obama or Ron Paul use snus, and if not ... :lol:

Your points are taken, Zero, but I would propose a longer view. Why has America forgotten the one philosophy (Objectivism? Please. :roll: ) it has produced? Where is the Pragmatism? Libertarians and Republicans (US) are both Free-Market believers. It is a fairy-tale. Democrats (US) seem to have lost the point entirely. The US has no one that is able to lead (at least no one who is currently running for office). They have believers, not thinkers. I think your car analogy is not useful; while the urgent need to see the danger is right, it seems to me that it is not outside the realm of possibility for this to be worked out. Yes, the US gov't needs to butt out of foreign afffairs. And petrochemicals? The end is nigh. However, what I see most is that (and this is true for the UK as well) there needs to be less belief (in labour, in free market capitalism) and more pragmatic action, beginning with the end in mind.

And that is never going to happen as long as the people of the United States do not know what they want. It is all a matter, to indulge in reduction, of not having thought matters through.

This is all just my not so humble opinion, so anyone reading should feel free to ignore me.

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[Zero]

Well, then, I guess we just disagree on what constitutes pragmatic. It's a word I would use to describe Ron Paul. The reality is that the US is going to break the bank. Practically, one has to tighten their belt - I think that's sound policy. He wants to back the currency with commodities, which you have to do if you want a sustainable economy. The fiat money system and new corporatism shouldn't be confused with free-market capitalism or traditional conservatism. The former are what are driven by the debt-based economics of infinite growth (and are both derided by Paul). With valued, non-inflating currency, though, your free market is free to stabilise at zero growth and remain a free market; but when you're inflating the money supply by using the free energy in hydrocarbons to prop everything up you are not free to do that. You have to grow or die - that's why GDP growth is so important. If you stagnate in debt you sink. If we're ever going to solve the environmental crisis we have to solve the energy crisis first. If we're going to solve the energy crisis then we have to sort out the economic crisis first. We can't pollute infinitely and we can't find infinite energy so we can't print infinite money. The solution to all of them is a sustainable, zero-growth economy. Sustainable means no oil and zero-growth means no debt. It's all tied together and I think Ron Paul is the only guy who is taking a realistic, pragmatic approach to sorting out the mess. The rest are just sloganeering, if you ask me.