Best part of SnusCentral vs. Northerner?

[squeezyjohn]

With a serious face on now - I know it's becoming boring to read all of this about Northerner... over and over again ... it's particularly boring for those of you in the US who have decent alternatives available to you and the luxury of just switching. Unfortunately those of us in the EU where Northerner has become the only real commercial venture carrying more than one brand - well we feel stronger!

... we think they're exploiting that fact and it hurts really deeply following the EU ruling that cut off our other options. Given that their whole business plan revolves around our addiction ... it becomes a whole lot more personal and it's easy to get things out of perspective.

When PACT came in in the US and all everyone wanted to talk about was how bad it was ... it was very boring to us in Europe who were able to buy any snus in the world and everything seemed stable ... but I didn't see any posts by europeans suggesting you stop going on about the problem because it was cramping our style!

We've probably got to accept that we live in a world where tobacco consumption is a precarious nicotine addicted lifestyle we share ... any support to eachother is hugely appreciated .. by me at least.

This round of Northerner bashing has probably just about run it's course ... let's not get het up about people's (well founded) anger towards the company.

Cheers

Squeezy

[whalen]

The thing about Northerner is they just have to be mediocre to vastly improve. How can they screw it up so badly for so long. I am grateful they stepped up too the plate to bring us snus during the troubles, I really am. But how can any company be this messed up for such a long period, the stickers are the law, they gotta do it, I got that. But a functional website with real time inventory and fresh snus seems like a doable thing. I fault them on competence, just basic service. It is like they have an absentee boss.

[chadizzy1]

Northerner - investment in the USA, no worry about taxes and they support snuson. Also, they are reliable most of the time.

Explain the investment in the USA part.

Rick may correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the distribution of snus in the USA has moved to his new venture with Kretek which has nothing to do with Northerner.

[whalen]

Really, now that is interesting! Tell us more! We need a stable competent supplier, we had one not long ago, I thought it was the same outfit. The fast fresh snus is the ticket for me, worth a premium.


Something drastic has happened to the business as usual scenario, this has to straighten out soon.

[squeezyjohn]

And reading back over Rick's post - I kind of resent being accused of having any kind of vested interest in other snus companies.

Is it not acceptable to feel strongly about something for purely idealistic reasons? If not then I would venture to suggest that Rick's post only goes to exacerbate the stereotype that all Americans are interested in is money and the relentless pursuit of capitalism regardless of common sense!

In my defence of an onslaught - I know for a fact due to my American friends here that the stereotype is definitely not a truism.

Cheers

Squeezy

[GoVegan]

Explain the investment in the USA part.

Rick may correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the distribution of snus in the USA has moved to his new venture with Kretek which has nothing to do with Northerner.

What I meant is that they have a warehouse here. It is only a matter of time before snus shipments from Sweden are stopped. They are also hiring Americans to work in that warehouse. That is an investment. One day, in the near future, Northerner may be all we have.

[GoVegan]

Now, I don't work for Northerner anymore....BUT, if I shopped at a place that didn't give me the type of service I was accustomed to getting, I'd just switch, and move on. I wouldn't talk about it online, unless of course....some OTHER shop was giving me free product. So, for those of you complaining about Northerner, I'm curious...which other online vendor is giving you free product, or discounts? If that's not the case, then what do you hope to acheive by continually ripping on them? I mean, I don't really care...but it seems fruitless, unless of course you're getting something for your trouble.

As for Northerner "sponsoring" this site....I'm pretty sure that's never happened. I don't know of a single instance where Northerner paid money to support this site. Sure they did the order fufillment for the SnusOn shop, and I think Snuson uses the Northerner servers or something like that, but that's the extent of it. If anyone else has more inside info than that...good for you, please enlighten us ;-)

I am guessing that servers are a significant expense for a forum like ours? How about some information from the former insider? What is happening with Northerner Rick?

[chadizzy1]

I am guessing that servers are a significant expense for a forum like ours? How about some information from the former insider? What is happening with Northerner Rick?

They cost us quite a bit just to run GoSmokeless, and we're like 1/1,000th of the traffic SnusOn has, a forum of this size probably costs hundreds a month to host and keep up.

[squeezyjohn]

Lets put it this way - I don't flit between big tobacco companies changing my opinion depending on who pays my wage. Instead I speak my mind about my real experiences with online companies. Sorry Rick!

No - I'm a complete amateur who is only able to spend way in excess of $3000 a year on my vice of choice. I obviously don't know what I'm talking about. Sorry Rick!

So my opinion should just go away if I feel I've been ripped off by Northerner? Sorry Rick!

[Snusdog]

Squeezy.....Rick was not talking about you.......my bet is he suspects the OP

I for one see all of this as being connected .....how it goes with pact and the EU directive will eventually mutually impact each other.

I for one think the issue should be aired out until those affected are content.....my only request is that we don't start a new thread every time we have a new thought......but try to stick to the threads we already have...

Beyond that......talk it out as much as you will

[squeezyjohn]

Thanks for the reality check Dog!

Fact is - Rick has suggested we all stop dissing Northerner - and made it sound as if we are all idiots if we complain about Northerner here any more despite the fact that they are preying on the misfortune of many nicotine addicts who do not want to smoke in the EU by fobbing us off with badly kept nearly-expired snus, not telling us when it has been sent, and not responding to our concerns.

Rick has probably taken more in money FROM Northerner than I have spent with them ... all I'm doing is sticking up for those of us who have SPENT money with Northerner and would like the common courtesy of being treated like customers by this dreadful company ... who he has represented here in the past!

We are not idiots ... we are desperate for snus.

That does not mean we should allow ourselves to be taken advantage of.

Americans should take note that this may very likely happen to you in the future - and you should never ... ever ... order from Northerner unless they were the only company selling snus left on this planet because they have absolutely no respect for their paying customers!

Cheers

Squeezy

[Bigblue1]

I find it odd that rick is vacant for most of these Northerner discussions then accuses anyone airing their concerns as being bought off. Come on man what are you smoking out of those pipes of yours. Northerner is completely f#cked as has been agreed by just about everybody. You don't post shit in months then come on defending Northerner with whom you have closer ties than any of us do with Makewebo and we're suppose to believe that your not the one who's palms are slick with grease. Come on man. We all know your severance from Northerner prolly included a good supply of snus as long as you were willing to defend them while you waited for it to get in stock and be delivered.....

[Bigblue1]

Now, I don't work for Northerner anymore....BUT, if I shopped at a place that didn't give me the type of service I was accustomed to getting, I'd just switch, and move on. I wouldn't talk about it online, unless of course....some OTHER shop was giving me free product. So, for those of you complaining about Northerner, I'm curious...which other online vendor is giving you free product, or discounts? If that's not the case, then what do you hope to acheive by continually ripping on them? I mean, I don't really care...but it seems fruitless, unless of course you're getting something for your trouble.

As for Northerner "sponsoring" this site....I'm pretty sure that's never happened. I don't know of a single instance where Northerner paid money to support this site. Sure they did the order fufillment for the SnusOn shop, and I think Snuson uses the Northerner servers or something like that, but that's the extent of it. If anyone else has more inside info than that...good for you, please enlighten us ;-)

Squeezy.....Rick was not talking about you.......my bet is he suspects the OP

I for one see all of this as being connected .....how it goes with pact and the EU directive will eventually mutually impact each other.

I for one think the issue should be aired out until those affected are content.....my only request is that we don't start a new thread every time we have a new thought......but try to stick to the threads we already have...

Beyond that......talk it out as much as you will

Dog, when did your comprehension levels drop lower than that of a 5th grader. C'mon man! You're probably one of the best read well respected and well spoken people on this forum. Yet you try to pull this crap...... there is no reason to stick up for RC sticking his foot in his mouth. No need to tarnish your reputation.......

[texastorm]

What rick charles said makes no sense in the real world. I sell items online, for example on amazon when you sell items people can review you. I have an item that sells about 400 a month and yet only has 15 reviews over 1 year. One time our company sold a substandard item, the amount of bad reviews was huge about 45%.

Human nature dictates that people only want to bitch when something is bad, and logically it makes no sense to bitch when its good.
People will only read a couple of the good product reviews, but will admit to reading most of the bad ones.

So when you get a company that does what Northerner does, and there is no excuse for it at all, then people should gripe and also warn other people.

Believe me if I had a few bucks I would open my own snus site... seems there is a need... sadly I already run a busy web based business, so no time left.

[jagmanss]

I have a great idea!

Let's start a what's in your mouth from SnusCentral thread and a what's not in your mouth from Northerner thread