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  • justintempler
    Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 3090

    #61
    Originally posted by snupy

    An alternative to the --->oven<--- is to use a box that you put inside with frigolit. The source of heat, use an ordinary light bulb - to ensure that light is not in contact with frigoliten. You may try your way to the watt-power is appropriate, depending on eg box size, how tight it is or what temperature you want.
    An alternative to the oven.... translation your house will stink, hint hint you want to use the alternative

    is to use a box that you put inside with frigolit.....translation frigolit = styrofoam..hence my suggestion of a cardboard box lined with styrofoam or coleman style cooler

    The source of heat, use an ordinary light bulb......that's what I said

    to ensure that light is not in contact with frigoliten...light bulb touching styrofoam, not a good idea

    You may try your way to the watt-power is appropriate, depending on eg box size, how tight it is or what temperature you want....hence my suggestion to use a light dimmer. The bigger your oven (or the bigger the snus batch) the higher the wattage of the bulb you need to create the same amount of heat. By using a light dimmer you can go with a higher watt bulb and adjust it down to whatever temperature necessary.

    Ask yourself this question, do they sell $25 toaster ovens in Sweden?
    Answer..Yes they do. So why would Swedes go through all the trouble to build or make a dedicated snusugn (snusoven) if it would be so much easier to use the toaster oven?

    The cooking time/temperature scale is based on the temperature of the snus (remember that's what you are cooking) If the oven temperature is 190 and the snus is only 170 degrees, and you use the time that goes with the 190 temp you will end up pulling out the snus too early and it won't be fully cooked.

    Did you bother to read the patent link?... it gives the optimum temperature for the reaction. There's a lot of information in it, even a couple lists of what kinds of tobaccos to use and in what ratios. (atleast you'll have a starting point)


    Suggestion.... You better have a complete understanding of what you are doing and why.

    The last thing you want to do is spend 6 months growing tobacco and then end up ruining your batch because you insist on using a $25 toaster oven cooking it at the wrong temperature because it's too much work. Screw it up and it'll be another year before you get to try it again.

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    • justintempler
      Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 3090

      #62
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oq=&aqi=g%3As1

      without even going past the first page of results
      5 different homemade snus ovens

      http://www.tilbudet.nu/Bilder/ugn2.JPG
      http://www.gandaf.com/L%E5dan.gif
      http://www.elektronikforumet.com/for...f8b8aee309fffd
      http://www.vikingasnus.se/bild/snusugn_deluxe.jpg
      http://www.garaget.org/mypage/blog.p...n87&post=39374

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      • Mr. Snuffleupagus
        Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 2781

        #63
        Thanks for all the great links Justin. I am leaning towards using a modified cooler. It just seems a bit safer than cardboard and Styrofoam as far as flamability. Either way, it will have thermometers for both the snus and the air around it and a dimmer switch for the lamp. My kits are shipped and could arrive as soon as this Saturday

        Edit: Oh, and he said he would throw in some already-baked tins so I can sample it instantly So if I F it up at least I'll know the potential :lol:

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        • snupy
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 575

          #64
          Originally posted by justintempler
          An alternative to the oven.... translation your house will stink, hint hint you want to use the alternative
          Care to provide a direct quote and post number where I ever claimed I would pasteurize in the house or are you ASSuming again?

          Originally posted by justintempler
          Ask yourself this question, do they sell $25 toaster ovens in Sweden?
          Can you read?

          Originally posted by snupy
          AWESOME! I found a toaster oven here, some no name brand, for $25. It has the temp settings, I think from 0-250 (F) I would rather have a name brand and have time to look around.


          Originally posted by justintempler
          Suggestion.... You better have a complete understanding of what you are doing and why.

          Do you have to understand how an internal combustion engine works to drive your car? Do you have to understand the chemical reactions that occur in a pan when frying eggs? Nice try on the egotistical attempt to tell me what I 'better' do.

          Originally posted by justintempler
          The last thing you want to do is spend 6 months growing tobacco
          You don't have one clue what I want, even after it has been posted in this thread repeatedly.

          Originally posted by justintempler
          and then end up ruining your batch because you insist on using a $25 toaster oven
          What batch? How many plants will be in that batch? Will it even be one whole plant in that batch? Oh wait, you can't answer any of those questions, because you don't know what the FVCK you are talking about again. Once again, you pile one assumption on top of another and another in a very weak attempt to pretend you are communicating.

          Originally posted by justintempler
          cooking it at the wrong temperature because it's too much work.
          It's hardly my fault if you can't figure out how to set the temperature on an oven. Just because you can't handle that doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

          Originally posted by justintempler
          Screw it up and it'll be another year before you get to try it again.
          People have made snus successfully in a crockpot. I am sure you would have predicted gloom, doom and the end of the world if you could have spoken to them before they even attempted it. HINT: This is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. It is not meant to be an opportunity to force your will on others as to how it is to be done because you and ONLY YOU have the ONE TRUE (tm) method!

          There are NUMEROUS ways to do this justintempler and your way IS NOT the best for all, nor is it the ONLY way that can work. It's not difficult and there's no need for you to PRETEND that it is. The recipe carlbarks posted to start this thread CLEARLY states an oven may be used, which is precisely what I plan to do. If you wish to argue the point that making snus with an oven will make the baby Jesus cry, then you really need to take that point up with the author of the recipe, don't you think?

          In the meantime, if you should attempt to grow your own tobacco, feel free to make YOUR snus HOWEVER YOU PLEASE!

          I shall do the same. I assure you.

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          • justintempler
            Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 3090

            #65
            snupy,

            All I'm doing is trying to help you, and you're fighting with me over it.

            It's real simple, I'll just stop trying to help you. End of story.

            Good Luck 8)

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            • snupy
              Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 575

              #66
              Originally posted by justintempler
              snupy,
              It's real simple, I'll just stop trying to help you. End of story.
              If you really mean that I promise to mail a simple of my snus to you once it is made.

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              • justintempler
                Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 3090

                #67
                Originally posted by Mr. Snuffleupagus
                Thanks for all the great links Justin. I am leaning towards using a modified cooler. It just seems a bit safer than cardboard and Styrofoam as far as flamability...
                I like the idea of a modified cooler myself.

                You said you got 2 kits? Was that 2 of the same (or?) 1 grov + 1 fin (?) or ?

                That sample idea is nice. Good Luck. 8)

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                • Mr. Snuffleupagus
                  Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 2781

                  #68
                  ^^ 1 grov and 1 fin

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                  • Mr. Snuffleupagus
                    Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 2781

                    #69
                    Snus oven trial #1

                    Ok, I've had a 60W shop light on in a regular (bigger than it needs to be) sized cooler for almost an hour and it's at 122F and climbing. I cut the cord on the light to slip it through the drain plug then spliced the cord back together, so no modification of the cooler yet. I'm starting to wish I had a thermostat shut-off to keep the temps from getting too high (the shop lite has a cheap-o plastic cage). So I will monitor this as a test run and hopefully not burn down the house. This test is to determine how hot this thing will get if I leave it alone for while I'm at work or sleeping. Have not decided how many days / temp I want to go for yet.

                    I am wondering how much extra heat will be generated by the chemical reactions and maillard reactions from the snus baking.

                    Almost 130F now

                    Edit: over 2 hours now 144F and still slowly climbing. I hope to find the peak soon

                    Update: After about 4 hours it was 152F and just barely climbing. Shut it down and went to bed. Success so far!

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                    • HK11
                      Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 631

                      #70
                      I had no idea you could heat up a container to that degree with a light bulb. THE MORE YOU KNOW!!

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                      • kevin32
                        Member
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 106

                        #71
                        Can this be made from cigarette tobacco? Generally in Canada it wouldn't be much cheaper as all tobacco is taxed, unless I go onto the reserve and buy 1000 cigarettes :lol:

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                        • GriffCo
                          New Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 10

                          #72
                          kevin32, if you are using cigarette tobacco you have lost a lot of the health benefits of snus, because even though some are additive-free, they still were fire cured.

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                          • snupy
                            Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 575

                            #73
                            I got most of my plants in the ground yesterday. I have a few left that aren't yet big enough to be planted though.

                            The following are what I have planted so far:

                            Turkish:

                            3 Basma
                            4 Bursa
                            4 Izmir-Ozbas

                            Virginia:

                            6 Virginia Gold
                            1 BW low nic (I suspect this is a Virginia but am not sure)

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                            • BuLLitz
                              Member
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 180

                              #74
                              I rewrote Carlbarks instructions for making snus and incorporated US measurements. I hope I did it correctly. I also included links to various ingredients and places of interest. If you see something wrong with this (especially carlbarks or justintempler), please let me know so that I can revise it. To me, the amount of sodium carbonate seems too high...

                              snus

                              Quick and easy cooking makes finished snus in as little as 36 hours.
                              In preparation, you'll need: oven, blender, thermometer + measuring utensils.

                              - 500 grams (1.1 lb) of ground tobacco (Growers: Expect 4 oz dried leaf per plant which means 4 plants would provide almost the 500g called for in the recipe)
                              - 7-8 deciliters of water (23.7 - 27 ounces or about 1.5 pints(us))
                              - 80 grams of table salt (6 tsp)
                              - 40 grams sodium carbonate (8.5 tsp)
                              - 2.5 cl glycerine (5 tsp)
                              - 2.5 cl propylene glycol (5 tsp)
                              **Optional 2.5 cl of whichever aroma you prefer. (5 tsp)


                              1. Pour the ground tobacco powder in a container and blend the salt dissolved in water in the mix. Blend and pour the snus blend in a plastic container and set your oven to 95 degrees Celsius (205 F) for 24 hours. Stir occasionally and do not let dry (add 2 tsp water if dry).
                              Other variations:
                              55-75 ° (131-167F) = 5 days
                              50 C (122 F) = 5 days
                              60 C (140 F) = 4 days
                              70 C (158 F) = 3 days
                              80 C (176 F) = 2 days
                              90 C (194 F) = 1 day

                              2. After the allotted time, pour the snus blend back into the first container and blend in the sodium carbonate dissolved in water. Pour it back in the plastic container and put it in the oven for another 12 hours.

                              3. After a total of 36 hours, leave the snus to "swell" (you know, like when you bake bread with yeast). After this, put the snus blend back in the first container, and put in glycerine and propylene glycol and blend in again (if you want additional flavors, put them in now).

                              After this you only have to put it into a container, or separate it in snus boxes. The blend is now ready for use, but will be even better after stored cold (fridge) for about one week.

                              TIPS:
                              Grow and cure your own tobacco ‘how to’:
                              http://www.scribd.com/doc/8227028/Gr...Curing-Tobacco
                              Tobacco Seeds:
                              http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco/varieties/ky_21.htm
                              Purchase Propylene Glycol:
                              http://www.chemistrystore.com/Chemic...ne_Glycol.html
                              Purchase Glycerin:
                              Walmart or Target
                              PORTION Wrapper Material (tea bags):
                              http://www.adagio.com/teaware/paper_...FeFM5QodyCMjAQ
                              Sodium Carbonate:
                              http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Sod...P6373C670.aspx

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                              • uk.user
                                Member
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 31

                                #75
                                making your own

                                Thanks Bullitz....very informative!

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