Phantom not being sold to US?

[rollinred]

I was looking at getsnus.com and did not see any Phantom listed. Of course they do list a few Offroad products. I much prefer Phantom over Offroad so I sent an email to Getsnus and they told me that Phantom is not allowed to sell in the US. How could one V2 product be allowed yet another is not? Must be that they have to go by brand and not by their entire product line?

I really can't afford to order my favorites which are Swedish Match products and LD tied with their products (but those are not allowed for US sale). I figured I could just start using Phantom since it is one of my favorites but here we go again.

Being priced out of using a product, this just is not the way America is suppose to work.

[myuserid]

You can buy them at buysnus and snuscentral.

[raptor]

You could order internationally.

Northerner is really goose-stepping to the PACT act.

[jagmanss]

You can buy them at buysnus and snuscentral.

+1

I just received an order with Phantom Blue Los in it from SnusCentral about a week ago

[rollinred]

Ah, I just did a mock order from buysnus.com and it looks like everything would work fine there. Except for you then have $10 extra shipping.

What is the consensus on what the buyer will have to be doing for paying taxes though? I like using getsnus because taxes are payed at checkout. The way the law reads in Michigan we would be required to pay 32% of the wholesale, which is bogus because the product is not made in the US therefore by law there should be not taxes payed. But since it is import there should be some form of duty.

This whole pact thing is either going to be a joke and the loosers will never even try to track down their (i mean our) tax dollars or it will have a whole bunch of us in trouble because it is impossible to figure out what we need to do or pay.

[myuserid]

Whatever your total is at buysnus is all you'll have to pay.

No extra customs, no extra taxes.

[raptor]

Well, it's not a joke because USPS now refuses to handle international tobacco shipments. But this violates international shipping treaties (as posted in another thread here), so the sht might hit the proverbial fan if anyone cares. Unfortunately the international community has similar sentiments as the US government towards tobacco.

[Joe234]

Whatever your total is at buysnus is all you'll have to pay.

No extra customs, no extra taxes.

I believe we a still responsible for state taxes when ordering
from an overseas supplier. They pay the customs but they
don't claim to pay the state tobacco tax. I hope I'm wrong.

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Smokeless tobacco products weight-based tax changes


With the passage of House Bill 2672 the tax rate changes for smokeless tobacco products will be effective January 1, 2010 and apply to all smokeless tobacco products distributed on or after this date.

Moist Snuff Weight-Based Tax FAQs
How does Oregon tax tobacco products?

Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) chapter 323 discusses how tobacco products are taxed in Oregon and related administrative requirements. The general categories below have a different treatment.

• Cigarettes – are taxed by application of an Oregon cigarette tax stamp. The current tax rate is $1.18 per package of 20 cigarettes.
• Cigars – are taxed on 0.65 percent of the purchase price paid on untaxed cigars except that the maximum tax on cigars that cost $0.77 or more “each” is limited to $0.50 per cigar.
• NEW – Moist Snuff – the tax is $1.78 per ounce except that the minimum tax paid per retail unit is $2.14 per unit. This begins on January 1, 2010.
• All Other Tobacco Products - are taxed on 0.65 percent of the purchase price paid on untaxed tobacco products.

When is the new tax calculation for moist snuff effective?

January 1, 2010.

What is “moist snuff”?

Moist snuff is any finely cut, ground, milled or powdered tobacco product that is not intended to be smoked or placed in the nasal cavity. Moist snuff also includes any product containing tobacco which is not intended to be burned when consumed. Examples include items such as chewing tobacco, lozenges, strips, and sticks. It does not include things like cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco, pipe tobacco or cigars.

I am an Oregon-licensed tobacco distributor. How do I pay the tax on moist snuff?

Your quarterly tobacco tax returns will be sent to you as they have in prior years. The tax returns and schedules have seen significant changes for 2010.

I purchased moist snuff over the internet for personal use. How do I pay the tax on the moist snuff I purchased?

You will find Form 531, Oregon Quarterly Return for Tobacco Products, on our website at http://www.oregon.gov/DOR/TOB/forms-tobacco.shtml. You will need to complete and submit this return and supporting schedules with payment to the Department of Revenue for each calendar quarter in which you purchase moist snuff or other tobacco products.


When is my tax return due?

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[raptor]

Technically yes but I want to see each state try to enforce it before giving in.

[ChaoticGemini]

rollinred do you actually pay sales tax on your state income tax form for every internet or mail order you placed throughout the year? That is how the MI law read too. I would guess people have far more outstanding/unreported sales tax than they do tobacco tax.

[shikitohno]

Part of this could just be because of Northerner/Getsnus only selling out of the US warehouse. I seem to recall it used to just be relabelled Rothbrix or something, due to copyright issues with Phantom here.

[Joe234]

What are the chances a state would ID someone for taxes?
Is it as safe as it used to be for getting cigs from the Senecas?
Or does UPS or someone turn over records?

[tom502]

Phantoms were labelled as Rothbrix for US sales, they have the then needed warning label preprinted on their labels.

[chadizzy1]

Phantoms were labelled as Rothbrix for US sales, they have the then needed warning label preprinted on their labels.

I've never seen a can of Rothbrix. Like ever.

[lxskllr]

I've never seen a can of Rothbrix. Like ever.

I got a can last year some time. I think I may have traded it off. I was looking for it recently, but couldn't find it :^/