What the PACT Act means for Canadians...

[lowfiwhiteguy]

bollocks

[lxskllr]

If you want postal service delivery, I think you'll have to order from Europe. Tobacco can't be shipped by USPS from within the USA.

Don't confuse PACT with FDA regulations. PACT at least had to be voted in publicly. The FDA can do what it wants without any transparency, or oversight. Their reign of terror is only starting. It's hard to say what will become of that :^S

[lowfiwhiteguy]

If you want postal service delivery, I think you'll have to order from Europe. Tobacco can't be shipped by USPS from within the USA.

Don't confuse PACT with FDA regulations. PACT at least had to be voted in publicly. The FDA can do what it wants without any transparency, or oversight. Their reign of terror is only starting. It's hard to say what will become of that :^S

I'm not confusing them, but they do seem to be going hand-in-hand at least at the most popular snus vendors' sites.

Also, I don't see how you mean with regard to the USPS thing. Our Canada Post service takes over where USPS drops it off at the border, of course, but USPS is still used to get it to Canada. When they switch over to UPS, it would be the one courier service for the whole trip from America to my doorstep in NL, thus hitting my wallet's weak spot for massive damage.

[lxskllr]

Also, I don't see how you mean with regard to the USPS thing. Our Canada Post service takes over where USPS drops it off at the border, of course, but USPS is still used to get it to Canada. When they switch over to UPS, it would be the one courier service for the whole trip from America to my doorstep in NL, thus hitting my wallet's weak spot for massive damage.

Tobacco can't be placed in the US postal system if it's starting in the USA. Roderick(from Toque snuff) has said that tobacco can come through the mail if it originates in Europe. That's based on international law, but our government doesn't really follow the law. They do what they want until they get slapped down by somebody via the courts. Even that isn't a given though with creative interpretation of the law. I won't be convinced it'll work until I see it work.

[lowfiwhiteguy]

Also, I don't see how you mean with regard to the USPS thing. Our Canada Post service takes over where USPS drops it off at the border, of course, but USPS is still used to get it to Canada. When they switch over to UPS, it would be the one courier service for the whole trip from America to my doorstep in NL, thus hitting my wallet's weak spot for massive damage.

Tobacco can't be placed in the US postal system if it's starting in the USA. Roderick(from Toque snuff) has said that tobacco can come through the mail if it originates in Europe. That's based on international law, but our government doesn't really follow the law. They do what they want until they get slapped down by somebody via the courts. Even that isn't a given though with creative interpretation of the law. I won't be convinced it'll work until I see it work.

That doesn't seem to make sense, because all my orders are "USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL INT" according to my receipts/order confirmations. I don't order from Northerner's Swedish warehouse, my stuff comes straight from the USA.

[lxskllr]

That doesn't seem to make sense, because all my orders are "USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL INT" according to my receipts/order confirmations. I don't order from Northerner's Swedish warehouse, my stuff comes straight from the USA.

That's now. That won't be the case come June... 20 was it?

[lowfiwhiteguy]

That doesn't seem to make sense, because all my orders are "USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL INT" according to my receipts/order confirmations. I don't order from Northerner's Swedish warehouse, my stuff comes straight from the USA.

That's now. That won't be the case come June... 20 was it?

Right. A black day it will be.

[heapbag]

Also, I don't see how you mean with regard to the USPS thing. Our Canada Post service takes over where USPS drops it off at the border, of course, but USPS is still used to get it to Canada. When they switch over to UPS, it would be the one courier service for the whole trip from America to my doorstep in NL, thus hitting my wallet's weak spot for massive damage.

Tobacco can't be placed in the US postal system if it's starting in the USA. Roderick(from Toque snuff) has said that tobacco can come through the mail if it originates in Europe. That's based on international law, but our government doesn't really follow the law. They do what they want until they get slapped down by somebody via the courts. Even that isn't a given though with creative interpretation of the law. I won't be convinced it'll work until I see it work.

That doesn't seem to make sense, because all my orders are "USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL INT" according to my receipts/order confirmations. I don't order from Northerner's Swedish warehouse, my stuff comes straight from the USA.

Unlike Northener, Buysnus.com does not appear to have a U.S. based warehouse. In other words when you order from Buysnus the snus is shipped out of Sweden. You have a choice with them to use either Swedish Post or UPS. You would want to use Swedish Post as the shipping option as it's cheaper and once the package arrives in the country it is turned over to Canada Post who will deliver it.

On Northener's website they indicate which snus is available in either their U.S or Swedish warehouse (or both). Only when you attempt to check out do you see where the package will be shipped from (I've done some dummy orders whereby some orders are split with some snus being shipped from the U.S. and the remaining out of Sweden).

If Northener is your preferred online vendor then I would make sure before you submit your cc info that the entire order is coming out of Sweden. If the check out is showing in any way that some or all of the order is coming from the U.S. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them an e-mail asking that it be sent out of Sweden using Swedish Post.

Once Northener updates their system post-PACT then maybe Canadian customers will get to choose where their order is shipped out of, we'll have to wait and see. But you are right you do not want your order shipped to you using UPS that's for sure.

[Psilocybin]

Any updates on this?

[Snusdog]

Any updates on this?

Yes

http://www.snuson.com/viewtopic.php?t=9076

[Psilocybin]

So. I am kind of lost.
Does this mean that even if us canadians order snus from Sweden through Swedish post it cannot be shipped through usps through USA?

Are we even going to be able to order snus?

[heapbag]

So. I am kind of lost.
Does this mean that even if us canadians order snus from Sweden through Swedish post it cannot be shipped through usps through USA?

Are we even going to be able to order snus?

If you order straight from Sweden using Swedish Post directly to Canada then there is no problem for you as once it arrives in the country Canada Post then delivers it to you.

[Psilocybin]

So basically this doesn't effect us canadians unless we don't order from Sweden?

[heapbag]

So basically this doesn't effect us canadians unless we don't order from Sweden?

It just means you can't order from the U.S. using USPS (United States Postal Service). You could still order out of the U.S. using UPS or any other courier but I wouldn't advise that (too expensive + chance of paying duty increases).

[Psilocybin]

Got ya. Hopefully my luck with snus coming from Sweden is as good as it's been oming from the US wearhouse On the duty and tax.

Won't be fun payin duty on 10 cans of snus