PACT ACT IS NOT DEAD......

[Snusdog]

How much more is your snus going to cost with added duty. Will it make a huge difference.

Let's just say a recent order that the shipping via vendor cost $8, I received a bill from UPS for an additional $11.50 or there-abouts. So yea, A rather huge difference considering.

UPS and FedEx have gone on record stating that they will voluntarily comply with PACT regulations, so forget about getting your tobacco products (except cigars) through those carriers as well.

Yea, again I've been hearing that also SO, if that is the case, how in the hell is say Roderick/Toque going to get us Nasal Snuff from the UK to USA????

By paddle boat :?:

What am I missing?

As far as I know the UK are not selling tobacco to end users in America anyway and have not done for a while. The visa card companies stopped that a while back.

Tobacco stores in America that stock Toque snuff for example will import just like they use to. However when they sell it online it will now incur the tobacco tax that is applicable in the buyers State.

First I have never paid a single duty tax that I have received. First and second notice right in the trash. I never agreed nor was I ever told of this charge prior to the sale.

Second if snus is designated as a food product by the Swedish government, then it should be listed as such on the custom form.

Third, who the hell is going to make a store in Sweden comply and enforce all these tax regulations (of which they will see no dividends). Snus is still so small a market. It'd be business as usual for me if I ran the shop. Snus = nonperishable food product. I would implement an e gift card like Amazon (buy the ecard with your credit card- then buy the tobacco product with your code once it comes via email) No tobacco purchased by card. I not sure if this whole Pact Act is going to turn out to be only as bad as we let it be. I’m not sure it can be or is worth enforcement with a nitch market like snus

[LaZeR]

As far as I know the UK are not selling tobacco to end users in America anyway and have not done for a while. The visa card companies stopped that a while back.

I've enjoyed buying direct from Toque and I always thought they were in Europe but obviously I am probably mistaken. Maybe cause they are in Sweden?

Nevertheless, how are us Americans going to get imported tobacco short of using the means/suppliers within our own country. This is hardly freedom, no? Not to mention, if I'm stuck with just a small selection of say "General" brands - not a knock on them - BUT, I will likely just say F.... it like someone else mentioned and go back to dipping cope all the while I'm sure paying a higher premium in retail and/or taxes because Govt & Big Tobacco here in America are literally "Gang banging" us and not even giving out reach-arounds.

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[dEFinitionofEPIC]

Well i for one will be damned if I give this government 1 red cent more than i have to. I do not plan on being a part of their sustenance much longer. I'm going off the grid. I will make one more large snus and snuff order and ration/ween my self off of nicotine completely. F#¢k' Em

I'm leaning in this direction... I live in NJ. If my snus gets taxed at the "appropriate" rate then I'm screwed. A pack of cigarettes is around $8 here because of the excessive taxes. If I'm forced between snus and giving MORE of my hard earned money to this socialist fraud of a government than... well than bye bye snus... as hard as it is to say it.

This kind of legislation is not to protect people. No, this bill will be passed based on a "drug pusher" mentality --- take advantage of people who are physically addicted to a product by charging excess taxes because they know most people will pay it because of their addiction.

This country was formed because our forefathers were pissed about the taxes. These taxes were nothing in comparison to the excess taxation that we deal with today and yet we just keep letting it happen. It boggles my mind. Our forefathers are rolling in their graves.

[truthwolf1]

This is a link for your states smokeless tobacco tax. On top of State there would also be a Federal tax right? For Minnesota it states 70 percent of wholesale price.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1858.html

[tom502]

I might just use up what I have and quit. I don't want to fund the failed welfare state any more. But we'll see what happens.

[redheadedmax]

I might just use up what I have and quit. I don't want to fund the failed welfare state any more. But we'll see what happens.

I just bought 85 cans and have about more 70 in the freezer. I'll slowly use up what I have and quit. All these god-damned taxes yet we still borrow money from China to the point they own our asses. :evil: With this, the endless wars, the health care "reform" mandate and all the other meddling in our lives the best I can hope for is complete federal collapse. We need to start over.

[LaZeR]

I might just use up what I have and quit. I don't want to fund the failed welfare state any more. But we'll see what happens.

+1. I'm to the point I'll end up seeking out whatever is least taxed. To hell with the health concerns. I really don't give a shit at this point. So tired..... & depressed about many things. Maybe I'll just go total bootleg and start seeking out the "Mary-J" for my fix. At this point I would sooner fund f...ing dope dealers than my own whacked out greedy government.

:cry:

[LHB]

I might just use up what I have and quit. I don't want to fund the failed welfare state any more. But we'll see what happens.

+1. I'm to the point I'll end up seeking out whatever is least taxed. To hell with the health concerns. I really don't give a shit at this point. So tired..... & depressed about many things. Maybe I'll just go total bootleg and start seeking out the "Mary-J" for my fix. At this point I would sooner fund f...ing dope dealers than my own whacked out greedy government.

:cry:

I agree. I get the most bang for my buck with RYO, so its back to unfiltered smokes for me.

[Monkey]

I'm more upset that our own gonernment is passing a law that will not only take a large amount of business away from our own postal service which is already facing problems, but also force me to use a private company that is more expensive and IMO less reliable.

Having to pay the tax is not a huge issue for me, as we pay so much what is another one tacked on? Also, buying snuff from Nicotine Rush here in Florida, the tax on snuff isn't so bad.

The government forcing us to use private shipping companies for more taxes that will just be used to bail out a crashing postal service in a few years...grr.

Also, if this passes no senator, congressman or president in office now will get my vote.

Mike

[tom502]

While it's easy to automatically assume the pessimist view, this really may not amount to much. We'll see.

[Roo]

This is a link for your states smokeless tobacco tax. On top of State there would also be a Federal tax right? For Minnesota it states 70 percent of wholesale price.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1858.html

Damn, only Maine and Massachussets have higher than Washington's 75%. Chew must be over $8 in those states, it's $7.99 here. Paying that on snus would definitely change my habits, but how much, I don't know.

[Snusdog]

That chart is old. SC's tax is 7% 51st in the nation. I think I'll survive.

[Winter Wooskie]

I wonder how this will affect american tobacco companies shipping product internationally outside of the US.

probably wont effect them at all...

just like the banks, we get .3% (for instance) interest on the money we loan to the bank, and then when we want a loan, they charge us 20%...

GREED

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

That chart is old. SC's tax is 7% 51st in the nation. I think I'll survive.

Anyone know where a more recent chart is? According to the chart posted above NJ taxes smokeless @ $.75/ ounce.

A can of portions is 24 grams. 24 grams is approximately .84 ounces so is it true that the NJ tax would be less than $.75/ can? If so, I would be pleasantly surprised.

[stubby2]

Some of you people are lucky indeed. Wisconsin tax on smokeless is 100% of manufactures established price. I'm guessing that's at least a few dollars a can.

I'll survive, but at the moment I'm none to happy about it. If there is an upside it's that it may be easier for more brick and mortar stores to carry Swedish snus as they won't be competing with tax free internet sales. Just trying to put some kind of positive spin on a bad situation.