PACT ACT IS NOT DEAD......

[Bluesteak]

If this passes, I might just become the largest Snus Kingpin on the West Coast...

[ProudMarineDad]

This really blows because other than General ES, I don't like any of the regular General products. I seriously doubt my local cigar store that carries the General line, will expand very much because I don't think it sells to well.

Guess I will have to give up snussing if I can't get Thunder Frosted.

[Mordred]

This really blows because other than General ES, I don't like any of the regular General products. I seriously doubt my local cigar store that carries the General line, will expand very much because I don't think it sells to well.

Guess I will have to give up snussing if I can't get Thunder Frosted.

Not necessarily, I'm sure certain larger sellers will be able to still deliver in some way or another, but it will most likely be much more expensive.

Or... you could buy Camel and Marlboro Snus. Conveniently, these have just recently become available at many stores. Coincidence?

[LaZeR]

Or... you could buy Camel and Marlboro Snus. Conveniently, these have just recently become available at many stores. Coincidence?

BINGO, therein lies over half the problem. These friggin lobbyist in favor of this BS bill are the big American Tobacco Companies who are only looking out for themselves. So once again keep us addicted to chemical laden cigs, dip, ect... and sugary wanna-be snus & push out the real snus out of our reach.

Gotta love freedom... :roll: Freedom to bend-over and take it from "the man".

[Snusdog]

IMPORTANT PLEASE READ

These are two comments that Roderick (Toque Snuff) made over at snuffhouse.org in a similar thread about the Pact Act

You can find the entire discussion here
http://snuffhouse.org/discussion/329...ct-act-update/

LHB, you could point out that non-US tobacco companies also want the bill to go through. We made a fortune out of prohibition and stand to increase our US profits by 1,120% as they can't impose US law on other Countries postal systems.
I would rather the bill failed as I disapprove of unfair competition and can see lots of US tobacco business failing and Americans suffering from lack of choice , however as a European company we stand to do very well even though morally I would feel rather guilty.

I have reread the bill and there doesn't appear to be a problem if US internet companies comply and put on the package ‘CIGARETTES/SMOKELESS TOBACCO: FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES THE PAYMENT OF ALL APPLICABLE EXCISE TAXES AND COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE LICENSING AND TAX-STAMPING OBLIGATIONS’. May be Mrsnuff or NicotineRush can add further to this?

European Companies are fully compliant if we attach a customs declaration CN 22, the appropriate tax code and, in our case state that the contents are ‘NASAL SNUFF TOBACCO’ which we already do. I have spoken to a number of US and UK Govt offices and they say we have nothing to worry about; they are only after the tobacco smugglers. As long as we declare fully our tax liabilities, they can't stop us mailing legitimate orders to our law abiding customers.

Also worth baring in mind, it is not lawful for the USA to interfere with the commercial business of an inhabitant of a foreign Power (It’s pretty unlikely that the USA will invade the UK over a bit of snuff).

[LaZeR]

Not to further the argument negatively but I have to also point out that since a big part of this legislation is to prevent the USPS shipment of tobacco, what happens now when we do "legally" continue to purchase out of country product and have to resort to UPS or FEDEX?

Do you folks know and understand what "Brokerage & Custom's" fees can and do add up to :?: Not to mention the whole beauty of receiving a bill 2 weeks later via given shipper for X $ Mystery amount owed.

I can't see anything but negatives and us being screwed over once again by the federal govt. Sorry :x

If I'm taking this wrong, please someone clear me up on this. Seems like this is going to send a lot of our hard earned cash all over the place in order to obtain our beloved foreign based "snus" and "nasal snuffs"????

[Snusify]

I purchase Snus within the EU so as such I have been paying EU sales tax and Swedish Tobacco tax from the get go and Snus is still much cheaper than cigarettes.

How much more is your snus going to cost with added duty. Will it make a huge difference.

[kjoerup]

UPS and FedEx have gone on record stating that they will voluntarily comply with PACT regulations, so forget about getting your tobacco products (except cigars) through those carriers as well.

[Bigblue1]

Well i for one will be damned if I give this government 1 red cent more than i have to. I do not plan on being a part of their sustenance much longer. I'm going off the grid. I will make one more large snus and snuff order and ration/ween my self off of nicotine completely. F#¢k' Em

[truthwolf1]

I could live with a $3 dollar can going to $5 or slightly higher
but if we are talking $7-$12 dollars then I will stop ordering online.

If the price of a can of General products was higher then $6 in a store then I will look for a cheaper USA alternative that I can stomach.

[LaZeR]

How much more is your snus going to cost with added duty. Will it make a huge difference.

Let's just say a recent order that the shipping via vendor cost $8, I received a bill from UPS for an additional $11.50 or there-abouts. So yea, A rather huge difference considering.

UPS and FedEx have gone on record stating that they will voluntarily comply with PACT regulations, so forget about getting your tobacco products (except cigars) through those carriers as well.

Yea, again I've been hearing that also SO, if that is the case, how in the hell is say Roderick/Toque going to get us Nasal Snuff from the UK to USA????

By paddle boat :?:

What am I missing?

[ProudMarineDad]

Not necessarily, I'm sure certain larger sellers will be able to still deliver in some way or another, but it will most likely be much more expensive.

Or... you could buy Camel and Marlboro Snus. Conveniently, these have just recently become available at many stores. Coincidence?

I hope you are right about the larger sellers but I would either quit tobacco or go back to Grizzly or Copehagen before I would use Camel. I haven't seen Marlboro snus in Greenville, SC so I don't know if I would like it or not.

[Snusify]

UPS and FedEx have gone on record stating that they will voluntarily comply with PACT regulations, so forget about getting your tobacco products (except cigars) through those carriers as well.

I dont think that will be the case. If they comply with the act it just means that UPS and Fedex will only deliver with age verification and expect a tax invoice a couple of weeks later.

UPS and Fedex already have the facilities to do this.

[ladysnus]

[quote="Mordred"]

This really blows because other than General ES, I don't like any of the regular General products.

Or... you could buy Camel and Marlboro Snus. Conveniently, these have just recently become available at many stores. Coincidence?

Ok, what about Generals "BIG PUSH" that is happening at this very moment. Cruising across America with samples.
Coincidence? I think NOT. I'm sure they've known all along! They are big tobacco. All this just irritates the h+ll out of me :twisted:

[Snusify]

How much more is your snus going to cost with added duty. Will it make a huge difference.

Let's just say a recent order that the shipping via vendor cost $8, I received a bill from UPS for an additional $11.50 or there-abouts. So yea, A rather huge difference considering.

UPS and FedEx have gone on record stating that they will voluntarily comply with PACT regulations, so forget about getting your tobacco products (except cigars) through those carriers as well.

Yea, again I've been hearing that also SO, if that is the case, how in the hell is say Roderick/Toque going to get us Nasal Snuff from the UK to USA????

By paddle boat :?:

What am I missing?

As far as I know the UK are not selling tobacco to end users in America anyway and have not done for a while. The visa card companies stopped that a while back.

Tobacco stores in America that stock Toque snuff for example will import just like they use to. However when they sell it online it will now incur the tobacco tax that is applicable in the buyers State.