PACT ACT IS NOT DEAD......

[GoVegan]

So in essence we should all refinance our homes and buy as much snus as possible NAO!!!!.

YES! Who needs a house we we can have snus instead? Besides, there are bridges to sleep under everywhere.

Word! +1 to the PACT Act...

we can live in a house made of snus cans.
damn, i've already spent 560$ on snus in a month and a half. So add 40% to that...this is the best investment I could ever make.

It definitely is a better investment than real estate. At least in California!

[LaZeR]

Lazer -you live in snus heaven with 0% tax on smokeless. You will probably have to pay sales tax which shouldn't be too bad.

Yea but what about the Federal tax and the shipping dilemma & fees :?:

[GoVegan]

Lazer -you live in snus heaven with 0% tax on smokeless. You will probably have to pay sales tax which shouldn't be too bad.

Yea but what about the Federal tax and the shipping dilemma & fees :?:

Just curious Lazer - do you live anywhere near getsnus? I am wondering if they have a retail outlet you can buy from.

[Tristik]

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Oof! " Wisconsin 50% Manuafactures Price "

No wonder everyone goes over the border to Illinois and buys a few cartons at a time.
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[LaZeR]

Just curious Lazer - do you live anywhere near getsnus? I am wondering if they have a retail outlet you can buy from.

Unfortunately they are damn near on the opposite end of the state. I live near Youngstown, OH but in PA.

[TheOneandOnly]

37% of wholesale cost... is that bad?

[ladysnus]

Ok LaZar, find me a place close to you. I would love a neighbor that loves snus as much as I and lives in a cheap ass no taxing state :P we could split the shipping. Lol

[ladysnus]

I really hope the Mayans were right. Pls pls be right

[LHB]

North Carolina recently raised their tobacco prices. So I am looking at paying an additional 12.8% per tin. So what, an additional $0.35 per tin??? I am SO not gonna stress this. My state needs the money. Adding an additional 12.8% tax to my tobacco purchases will NOT hurt me. Damn, remember what I spent when I smoked??

Again, why all the whining about this just bugs the crap out of me. It is not the end. The world doesn't stop if this passes. It just gets a tad more expensive. Big whup.

So Pris, I am looking at about $43 per roll of General. No more than $4 more than I am paying today.

Thank you so much for clarify that in a real world example. Its not going to be that big of a deal.

Stop the whining!

In light of the fact that this year has witnessed a huge tobacco excise tax increase, the passage of The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009, which brings all tobacco products under the potentially disastrous control of the FDA, SCHIP tax increases, the imminent passage of the PACT Act, and the fact that most tobacco users live in states with tobacco tax policies that are far less lenient than those of North Carolina, I'd hardly say tobacco users on this and other tobacco forums are "whining."

I'm 51, and this is the worst year I've ever seen in terms of tobacco users rights. All of this "it won't hurt ME that much, so screw everybody else who it WILL hurt" is what emboldened our oppressors to do what they do. So take that patronizing "stop whining" BS, no matter what your post count or what business you run, and talk it somewhere else.

[Snusmun]

^ +100000000 ^

[ladysnus]

^^^ THANK YOU! ^^^^+1

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I'm 51, and this is the worst year I've ever seen in terms of tobacco users rights. All of this "it won't hurt ME that much, so screw everybody else who it WILL hurt" is what emboldened our oppressors to do what they do. So take that patronizing "stop whining" BS, no matter what your post count or what business you run, and talk it somewhere else.

Hear hear. Nobody is going to stand up for tobacco users of any form without having some ulterior motive, likely related to their income. It's not politically correct; as far as the public is concerned, tobacco is a blight on our society and its users need to be punished for some vague reasons fed to them by their representatives and whatever the media tells them. The worst thing we can do politically is divide.

That said, I can see two options we as a group can take before we get any further down this slippery slope.

Clearly, the powers that be have no qualms about differentiating between tobacco delivery methods (cigarettes, dip, cigars, etc.) and screwing their users over separately. If we could somehow lobby to get snus differentiated into a category less regulated, there's at least some consolation.

Alternatively, and I find this the more viable idea with tobacco universally seen as evil in the US, we form a grassroots organization open to users of any tobacco product and take political action against the taxes and legislation already on the board and hopefully provide resistance against any further regulation.

If such a thing already exists, somebody please sign me up for the newsletter.

[stubby2]

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Oof! " Wisconsin 50% Manuafactures Price "

No wonder everyone goes over the border to Illinois and buys a few cartons at a time.
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Your behind the times. WI tax is now 100% of manufactures established price for snuff, which is certainly among the highest in the country if not the highest. One of the reasons I'm going back to RYO portions using loose snus. 45 grams verses 24 with only a slight increase in Fed tax. Will cut my price nearly in half.

http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0169.pdf

[Snusmun]

Your behind the times. WI tax is now 100% of manufactures established price for snuff, which is certainly among the highest in the country if not the highest. One of the reasons I'm going back to RYO portions using loose snus. 45 grams verses 24 with only a slight increase in Fed tax. Will cut my price nearly in half.

http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0169.pdf

Looks like the highest of those states that charge a % of wholesale/manufacturers' costs. Probably not as bad as the few states that charge exorbitant taxes per ounce though. Just curious, what are you using for you portion material for your RYO portions??

[texasmade]

Please rent Michael Moore's new film "Capitalism: A Love Story". Even for those that despise his politics, please find time to watch.

+1 just watched this today...twice