Bill Passes House to BAN ALL Tobacco through the mail!!!!

[bakerbarber]

I guess the good news is that the Senate is supposed to recess for the rest of the year on Sept 20th. If they do that, then it won't go to vote until after the first of the year....

I got to become a Senator. These bastards hardly work. They've been off for the summer, going out til the end of the year, get full salary retirement, and are held to almost no accountability. Oh yeah plus if you get in for half a year you also run the chance of becoming a turtle on a post.

What the hell do these tools do to earn our tax dollars? They seem to be pretty good at covering their own asses and fighting for lobbyists. This government needs an enema!

[snusjus]

I'm about to order several years worth of snus!

UPDATE:

I ordered a Prismaster and some loose snus from Northerner. I know the law will not pass for a while, but I want to get used to loose snus, since you get more tobacco for the same price as portion. Once I get used to loose snus, I will then order hundreds of cans from an online retailer. I hope the snus will last me for years to come!

[Azrsuperstar]

This is bullshit. It won't take effect for a while right? Keep us updated.

Thanks! :evil:

[rollinred]

dont freak out yet everyone. If you read the article again it is very clear that this is aimed at state to state sales within the US. Now I cant say us snus users will not get some negative from the whole deal, it is very very clear that this is not a comprehensive law. They is no lay down of what will be the targeted products. It may be that they simply dont want me to go onto an online website from Montana and order cigarettes here to Michigan.

This is an edit: yes this is aimed more at state to state than it is imports. It says in the text somthing about avoidance of state tax. Which is what happens if you order a product from another state. They cant force you to pay their taxes because you are a resident of another state. Now the issue of shipping may be an issue. But I doubt it. If customs recognizes that it is tobacco being shipped from overseas, we may need to pay an import tax but thats it.

This law also not aimed at the consumer. The whole piece of legislation that you posted is aimed at punishing the seller for selling to a minors after the tax issue. And the US government can not punish buysnus for anything, they dont have any legal legislation against them. Add to this, the law also talks about black market cigarettes. How many of you are hiding your purchase of snus? I dont think many of us are underage and buying on the black market. We are buying legal import products.

But anyway, you can thank the democrats for finding another way to tax us to death. Vote Mccain, to keep the money that you rightfully worked hard to earn. It has been less than two years since the dems took hold of the house and senate and already the increase in bullshit tax crap is beyond what any american should ever be required to deal with.

[pcguy]

well, what the hell is going on with swedish match north america?
They hold the keys to most of the snus kingdom. Why are they pussy footing around with just catch and general? I say bring on the snus, legally, OTC in my local gas station. And NOT fake crap like camel and taboka....

[bakerbarber]

preach on pcguy!

[snusjus]

This is an edit: yes this is aimed more at state to state than it is imports. It says in the text somthing about avoidance of state tax. Which is what happens if you order a product from another state. They cant force you to pay their taxes because you are a resident of another state. Now the issue of shipping may be an issue. But I doubt it. If customs recognizes that it is tobacco being shipped from overseas, we may need to pay an import tax but thats it.

You do have a good point. When I used to smoke, I would stock up on cartons of cigarettes at the duty-free shop (at Cincinnati International) and they would be tax free and very cheap (about $27 for a carton of American Spirits). The policy for the store was that you had to leave the country in order to buy tobacco/alcohol. Thankfully, snus websites are not located in America, so you are not technically avoiding American tobacco taxes.

[pcguy]

Here is a thought.

Should the worst case scenario happen, your local tobacco retailer would still have the ability to receive shipments from say buysnus.com, and have them shipped to his retail location or warehouse. You could make arrangements with these local businesspeople to order your stuff in for an agreed upon fee. This gets around the issue at hand.

The reason retailers around my area are not bringing snus on the shelves is due to lack of sales. Not enough people are interested for them to stock it, since it sits for long periods of time. But a customer who comes to them and wants to order a quantity at a time, for a set fee would be a no brainer for them.

[bakerbarber]

Well the way I interpreted it tobacco would be banned from post as is alcohol, explosives, and other items. So if they pass a broad blanket declaration nothing would be exempt. The major shipping companies have already agreed to abide.

Funny though that I can get my prescriptions through the mail no problem if I choose to. Wow sounds reasonable to allow potentially deadly medicine that quite possibly could end up in the wrong place ship USPS, but ban other products. Like saying blue crayons are outlawed, but green ones are OK.

[bakerbarber]

pcguy has a good idea. I've asked three different shops in my area to stock General loose for me. They said they will request it in their next order and if it doesn't show I can call their sales rep and talk to him. One place told me I am not the first to ask for swedish match snus brands.

[pcguy]

The current UPS, DHL and FEDEX bans are solely for shipments to residential addresses. How do you think the cigarettes get to the local stores? Certainly not by private truck shipments Some might, but many, many stores receive their products through carriers such as UPS and DHL. This whole mess, as others have pointed out, is all about taxes and very little about keeping things out of the hands of minors.

[snusfather]

Thanx rollinred, that was like a valium . I am still concerned but, this thing could play out any number of ways.

That being said, I don't think its a democrat or republican issue; it's a money issue. Both parties are just different sports teams in the same league, seving the same masters. When one is too discredited to represent the corporate intrests the other takes center stage. "Those who own the country should govern it" - John Jay (1st supream court justice). "Government should be so constituted as to protect the minority of the oppulent from the majority" - James Madison. We are rulled by men who are primarily concerned with proffiting from us and our consumption.

Sorry folks, I had to say it...

[Mongrul]

But anyway, you can thank the democrats for finding another way to tax us to death. Vote Mccain, to keep the money that you rightfully worked hard to earn. It has been less than two years since the dems took hold of the house and senate and already the increase in bullshit tax crap is beyond what any american should ever be required to deal with.

Amen Brother! Except McCain is almost as big a jackass as B. Hussein is. At least he's not a phony commie demagogue like B.H.O, but he's done some things that really pissed me off. But, he's a patriot first, and tough as nails, even though he's been misguided....a lot.... :x

[Mr. Unloadingzone]

Thanx rollinred, that was like a valium . I am still concerned but, this thing could play out any number of ways.
That being said, I don't think its a democrat or republican issue; it's a money issue. Both parties are just different sports teams in the same league, seving the same masters. When one is too discredited to represent the corporate intrests the other takes center stage. "Those who own the country should govern it" - John Jay (1st supream court justice). "Government should be so constituted as to protect the minority of the oppulent from the majority" - James Madison. We are rulled by men who are primarily concerned with proffiting from us and our consumption.
Sorry folks, I had to say it...

It's ALL about the money. First they tried to tax internet sales from overseas and that failed. So now they let you order it over the internet but it's a FELONY to deliver it to you.

SM makes 95% of all the snus in Sweden. They're the only ones big enough to have a US presence and they still have to jump through hoops at the state level: they only sell over the counter in what, 17 states?

Swedishsnus.com is owned and operated by SM SA, not US. Have no idea what that means to them.

What it means is BuySnus, Northerner and the rest are effectively out of bsiness in the US....it would cost them too much to comply with all the tax laws.

SM is here, but we'll only have their selection to choose from and how long before they're in all 50 states? And of course PM or RJRT could buy them with petty cash.....and suddenly the price goes up, the number of portions/size of the portions goes down, and the taste goes "American".

Big American Tobacco...Big Tax-Hungry Government...when they ban cigarettes in the next 5-7 years, they don't (and can't afford to) lose the tobacco tax revenue: On cigarettes alone, currently $19BB for the States, $7BB for the Feds, and don't forget the $250BB over 25 years the tobacco companies have to pay out because of the "settlement" with the Government.

American started with the Boston Tea Party: Taxation without Representation. It's ending with Taxation without Representation except for Big Business and itself. Tyranny of the Majority. Let's see them treat alcohol the same way and see what happens.....but they can't even touch cigars.

And all in the name of Homeland Security. America officially sucks now. (if you didn't realize that already). We're well on our way to becoming a fascist nation...but hey, at least the trains will run on time.

[sharesnusinfo!]

going to have to make it. where's that guy who was going to teach us how? the guy from gotlandsnus

hello man this is a crappy thing to do from the House.

But take my suggetion. When i lived in London for a couple of years my snus was finished, so i took some cigarettes and start using it under my lip, tasted CRAP and i started to Smoke again.. it took me 1 year to quit again.

It´s NOT the same as SNUS! snus is manufactured in a werry different method than cigaretts.