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[Snusdog]

Chuang Tzu wrote
“Can man only cling to heaven and know nothing of earth? They are correlative. To know one is to know the other.”

Dog wrote
“Where? Where do they meet? I will go see them there together would only someone show me the place.”

Justine wrote
“All is physical. The world is explained by science”

Dog wrote
“Where? Where is music ever explained by the description of the wavelengths of sound?”

Empty yourself of all desire and you have conceded half the person
Turn lust into love and you have done something worth mentioning

Meditate far far away from the distraction of this world and you have conceded half of the self
Set the scale to measure weights correctly and you have found truth amid the bustle of the market

Why is it that man must always run from himself? If only there were a redeemer strong enough to lift the whole of man and the whole of this creation

[alopezg1]

snusdog your ****ed if you do and damned if you don't
i just happen , as a result of my own particular circumstance, to have come to the conclusion
that a life lived in pursuit of personal fullfilment is well... unfulfiling
also ... in my experience , when i am left without anything to hide behind , no props or social masks
i find this actually brings me into very direct contact with 'myself' . Monastic life , if taken up for the correct reasons
is not a retreat from ones 'demons' but headlong advance straight towards them

[alopezg1]

n.b. when i said your ****ed if you do and damned if you don't i wasn't reffering to you personally

[alopezg1]

i just realised it sounded a bit aggressive , sorry

[alopezg1]

i am supposed to be a buddhist after all

[alopezg1]

ps.s a wonderful thomas merton video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4rU_shFL48

he's a cool cat

[Snusdog]

My friend......... absolutely no offence taken.......

I have great affinity for some forms of monasticism (early Franciscan to be exact) as well as a great affinity for oriental culture.......the paintings of the Sung/Yuan Dynasty, the poetry of the Odes, and the philosophy of Kung.

That said, when Chinese culture moved from the concretes of nature and turned inward......... it atrophied as a culture.......

Compare: Han Gan, "Shining light of Night".....with.....Xu Beihong's "Galloping Horse"

The first provides living insight........the second a cliché

Anyway........the path winds among the trees....the clever find it.......the rest deforest to make a road


what are you looking for

[Faylool]

Relapses happen until you pretty much can't stand or tolerate smoking anymore after successfully appearing down with the help of other more desirable methods. The snus and snuff are best for new quitters but vaping I has an portent component those can't address. The whole busy mouth thing. Yeah and Darwin had it right IMO. Pipe can serve as a link to crossing the bridge to smoke free if you don't inhale. Pipe tobacco is designed to be puffed and the goods are absorbed in the mouth and nose like vaping ( mostly nose by far). Cigarettes seemed to be pretty much designed to kill in comparisson

[gd3]

I like the one of the cool cat, thanks

[DanF]

I'm not positive about his (for damn sure) but I believe that a current smoker who is trying to quit or a recent smoker who is trying to escape the cigarette habit will never really be able to love Snus.

The only way to really fall in love with Swedish Snus is for someone who has long, long ago left the life of smoking in the distant past.

If you have never used tobacco in your life you may never fall in love with Snus. You will probably hate it!

The only way to love this is unusual product is to have have been absolutely free from smoking for many years and to have always missed it.

I personally have never met a former smoker who never stops missing the habit. I have never met one!

In my case (thirty years free from cigarettes) I never stopped missing smoking.

OK! A recovered alcoholic can never go back to a cold beer on a hot summer day at a picnic....I agree!

But for me: finding Swedish Snus after a thirty year "sober" period has (at least for me) found a way, my way of going back to the life I loved and to find that I am not only in control of a former product that kills millions (smoking) with something that I can rest easy with until I depart this short life journey.

And I am OK and happy with this new addition to my life.

If you want to quit smoking I'd say quit. And never look back.

If after thirty years free from tobacco you still miss that feeling (you won't) Swedish Snus (not American) will be a new experience.

Dan

P.S.

Quit smoking at all costs!

[spinyeel]

You wasted 30 years of your life,not knowing about the joy of snus? I feel for you brother.

[BadAxe]

I'm not positive about his (for damn sure) but I believe that a current smoker who is trying to quit or a recent smoker who is trying to escape the cigarette habit will never really be able to love Snus.

WRONG

The only way to really fall in love with Swedish Snus is for someone who has long, long ago left the life of smoking in the distant past.

WRONG Once again

If you have never used tobacco in your life you may never fall in love with Snus. You will probably hate it!

How many times can you repeat the same WRONG thing, unless of course you are only speaking of yourself, which is not the way I am reading this.

The only way to love this is unusual product is to have have been absolutely free from smoking for many years and to have always missed it.

Why do you keep repeating the same wrong thing over and over?

I personally have never met a former smoker who never stops missing the habit. I have never met one!

You have now. Nice to meet you.

Seriously, you are way off on your comments. I tried SNUS when I was a smoker, and didn't even plan on quitting, just wanted to see what this SNUS stuff was all about. I IMMEDIATELY fell in love with it and knew I could quit smoking with it. Tried everything else, nothing worked. Quitting with SNUS wasl ike hitting the big red EASY button for quitting. I did slip up, went back to smoking part time, once. Got sick, quit again, have not touched a cig since and have not wanted to. Yes, I occasionally get a craving that lasts about 2 minutes, but I pop a snus in, and its gone.

Quitting CAN be done with SNUS.
You CAN fall in love with SNUS while being a smoker, or even a smoker who just quit.

Please only speak for yourself when diagnosing what SNUS can or can't do for a smoker. Don't need someone not trying SNUS cause they read this post when it can in fact help them quit smoking immediately.

[Burnsey]

Dan seems to believe that his very unique experience is the norm, not so and most of the assumptions are incorrect, but pot is stirred.....enjoy

[Snusdog]

There are so many here that have quit using snus..........as well as the numbers from the entire country of Sweden.....that I'm not sure this is really a matter of dispute.

That said........I do think DanF's post (with a little reworking-- changing the universal statements to first person experiences) adds a new twist to a familiar theme.............snus can help.......regardless of where it enters into the equasion..........it can help those trying to quit........and as Dan points out....... it can help those who have quit but still crave.......

So its all good.......a bit myopic.....but good in the end

[Premium Parrots]

........googles myopic.

oh yea, that's correct.

There are so many here that have quit using snus..........as well as the numbers from the entire country of Sweden.....that I'm not sure this is really a matter of dispute.

That said........I do think DanF's post (with a little reworking-- changing the universal statements to first person experiences) adds a new twist to a familiar theme.............snus can help.......regardless of where it enters into the equasion..........it can help those trying to quit........and as Dan points out....... it can help those who have quit but still crave.......

So its all good.......a bit myopic.....but good in the end