No More EU snus sale again

[Frosted]

................and thank you GN Tobacco for the best snus I've ever tasted.

Amen

[Frosted]

I'm pissed again - but -

My love of snus and my gratitude for it is vast. It quite simply has saved my life whilst giving me immense enjoyment.

I've given up smoking 4 years.

Thank you snus and f**k you the E.U.

[Fazer]

wikipedia in it's definition describes precisely what we are being subjected to

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.^[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.

*nods* That sounds about right mate

[Frosted]

wikipedia in it's definition describes precisely what we are being subjected to

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.^[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.

[Fazer]

:-) ...

lol - I see what you did totalitarian fascism

EDIT... Governments considered to be fascist, similar to the Nazis in Germany, or the EU

[Ansel]

Doesn't sound extreme at all mate. EU = totalitarian fascism. Yes, i like the sound of that, Frosted. Good Call

:-) ...

[Fazer]

It is quite simply Nazism. I know it sounds extreme to say that but it's very totalitarian all this. The EU is a hateful organisation and must be destroyed. C'mon Greece.

Look!!! - I made sentences without swearing about this.

Doesn't sound extreme at all mate. EU = totalitarian nazism. Yes, i like the sound of that, Frosted. Good Call

[Frosted]

It is quite simply Nazism. I know it sounds extreme to say that but it's very totalitarian all this. The EU is a hateful organisation and must be destroyed. C'mon Greece.

Look!!! - I made sentences without swearing about this.

[Snuts]

I don’t need any 'help' with this, I’m an adult, I can do it all by myself

Yeah and who needs the kind of help they are giving us...

[Fazer]

I think the job of SANCO is to help make europe's citizens healthier, safer and more confident, a least that's what they claim in their website.

I don’t need any 'help' with this, I’m an adult, I can do it all by myself

[lxskllr]

The survey showed that EU citizens and industry representatives were in favour of lifting the snus ban, while most EU states and NGOs wanted it maintained.

Why does the "state" have a say in this? I thought they were supposed to be representatives of the people.

[Snuts]

I think the job of SANCO is to help make europe's citizens healthier, safer and more confident, a least that's what they claim in their website.

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consumer/index_en.htm


Who they are?

According to their site:

DG Health and Consumers has around 960 staff.

About 660 of us are in Brussels;
About 120 work in Luxembourg and another 180 in Grange, near Dublin

I'm like you snusdog, for all I know this could be 960 guys who meet at the pub once a month to discuss women and snus.


The ESTOC site is pretty interesting: http://estoc.org/


Dec 7 (Reuters) - The European Commission has promised Sweden it will take another look at its ban of the tobacco product snus, which is allowed in Sweden but banned elsewhere in the European Union, the Swedish trade minister said on Wednesday.

Swedish Match is Europe's biggest producer of snus, or wet snuff, which is put under the upper lip and is mostly sold as small pouches of tobacco.

Trade minister Ewa Bjorling said she had met EU Health Commissioner John Dalli and discussed the results of a survey of EU states about current tobacco laws.

"What I believe is most important is that you base your reasoning on scientific facts. That is what I try to tell Dalli, and I ask the question: Why do you still want to have a ban on Swedish wet snuff when there are other snuff products on the market in the EU, for example Pakistani snuff?," Bjorling told Reuters.

This was the second time she raised the snus issue with Dalli.

"I think he was listening in a different way this time. The first time he dismissed it simply saying their goal is to get everything away for health reasons," Bjorling said.

Sweden says it has a lower proportion of deaths from lung cancer than in other EU states and a lower level of smokers.

Swedish daily Dagens Nyheter has reported that its own examination of the answers to the Commission's survey showed that a majority of people in member states wanted to end the snus ban, even if most members states supported keeping it.

The Commission is expected to propose a new tobacco products law during the spring next year and released the results of a survey in July of attitudes to the current law, including the ban on snus.

The survey, which is on the Commission's website, was carried out by asking questions to EU citizens, industry representatives, non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and government representatives.

Most answers came from Italy and Poland, and the Commission noted that Italian tobacconists had organised a campaign to encourage submissions to the survey.

The survey showed that EU citizens and industry representatives were in favour of lifting the snus ban, while most EU states and NGOs wanted it maintained.

The main markets for Swedish Match's snus products are Sweden, Norway and the United States.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7N73L820111207

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[Snusdog]

Ok who are SANCO, ESTA, and ESTOC and what impact do they have on shaping the EU laws

For all I know this could be 7 or 8 guys who meet at the pub once a month to discuss women and snus.

Note: I am not asking for what the Acronyms stand for (I got that from the report)......... but rather what real policy making power do these groups have (especially SANCO)

[Snuts]

Anybody seen this? http://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/d...1219_mi_en.pdf

The meeting was organised on the request of industry representatives in order to discuss
the ongoing revision of the Tobacco Products Directive (TPD). It was agreed that the
meeting will be structured according to product categories: cigars, smokeless tobacco and
pipe tobacco and roll-your-own.

...


Mr Rutqvist gave a presentation on snus. According to him the reasons to ban snus have
been rebutted by the recent scientific studies. First, snus is not attractive to young people
and is not a gateway to smoking. Second, it does not cause oral cancer and there is no
clear link to pancreatic cancer. Third, it is less addictive than cigarettes. He also stressed
that snus is less harmful to health than cigarettes. Two industry sponsored studies (from
US and Serbia) showed that snus was an effective way to quit smoking, and it is the most
common quitting aid in Norway and Sweden.Concerning smokeless tobacco, SANCO asked ESTA and ESTOC to send further
information on:
- overview of product categories
- estimated market size for 2011 (value, volumes, ideally per MS) per category and trends
since 2002
- producers (name, address, turnover, number of employees)
- consumers (age, gender, regions)
- flavours used.
SANCO asked ESTOC to send all new scientific publications on snus since its last
submission (including information on who sponsored the respective study) and – to the
extent available – information on consumers (age, gender, cessation).
ESTA and ESTOC promised to send the information in the second week of January.

All associations were given the opportunity to also submit other relevant
information/views, but were invited to be concise. The information should be received in
the second week of January.


So this meeting was on the 6th January 2012. If I understand it was asked to ESTOC (european smokeless tobacco council) and ESTA (european smoking tobacco association) to present all new scientific publications on snus since their last submission and also to submit other relevant information/views.
Have they done it?
And if they did, has someone looked into it?
Is this ban related with this meeting?

Welcome to the EU, welcome to the free market, they told us...

[Fazer]

This was a total non-starter. They never even completed the payment from my credit card. Money came back to the card today. No communication either.

Ah well, easy come, easy go.

That's a bummer, i was looking at that site today ... Ah well