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  • ChemicalsLie
    Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 22

    Anyone ever think about quitting?

    I mean...it is bad for you...at least a little...
  • The Wolf
    Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 132

    #2
    I made a topic about quitting last week, but came to different thoughts when I unexpectedly got some money. I was pretty seriously trying to quit, but whaddya gonna do when snus throws you against stone wall shouting - "Stop being such a baby and buy a can!" And now I'm back in the business. I was two and a half weeks without snus and couldn't take it anymore, I love the stuff so much.

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    • Anti
      Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 140

      #3
      I keep thinking I should because it's got to be bad for you to some extent (even though I tell myself it's not).

      But it's one of my few pleasures in life next to beer and whisk(e)y. I drink and snus in moderation, and it keeps me happy. That's how I justify it to myself.

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      • M0RNA
        Member
        • Dec 2007
        • 46

        #4
        Re: Anyone ever think about quitting?

        Originally posted by ChemicalsLie
        I mean...it is bad for you...at least a little...
        Everything is bad for you. I am sure that people have died choking on their '5 portions a day' of fruit and vegetables, had anaphylatic shock using latex condoms and had heart attacks at the gym. In that regard, I feel that snus is yet another item on the infinitely long list of things that are bad for you, but just because something has a potential hazard doesn't mean that its going to happen to you, and generally doesn't stop people from, say, eating fruit and veg, having safer sex and taking exercise.

        Having read extensively the peer reviewed academic papers on snus, I honestly feel that if you are going to have a tobacco habit, snus is by far, the safest. Maybe the risk to health from using snus is roughly the same as driving a car, and most people drive every day without giving it a second thought. Also, with snus, you can see if its doing anything to your gums/mouth, which you can't with smoking and what it does to the lungs.

        There may be some evidence to suggest a link between pancreatic cancer and snus use, but reviewing the papers reporting this finding shows that, basically snus might increase the risk of a relatively uncommon cancer by a tiny amount (relative risk = 2 if I remember correctly). This figure is really put into perspective if you compare it to the relative risk of lung cancer in smokers.

        At the end of the day, we all have to 'leave the building' somehow....speaking only for myself, I'd prefer to 'check out' a little bit earlier but have some fun and enjoyment along the way rather than leave a 100 year old corpse which had never seen a days fun in its life

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        • ChemicalsLie
          Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 22

          #5
          i think for me is just that...i loved snus at first but i got addicted really fast and spiraled out of control. now, i just wanna kill the nicotine monkey. midterms are over, and i think i'm finally where i can...so i should.

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          • Soft Morning, City!
            Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 772

            #6
            I can honestly see no real reason for me to quit. I'm nineteen years old and of reasonable weight for my height (6 feet, 4 inches tall, 185 pounds). I walk quite a bit, as driving in Portland during the daytime is a royal pain in the ass.
            I don't eat as well as I should, but better than most people I know.

            Simply, I love snus, and not only for the nicotine. I love the taste. I love the way a big pris of Grov feels under my lip. I love how nice it is to start the day with a pris and a cup of coffee.

            I have my vices, but luckily I've picked the ones with lesser risk to my general health. Instead of smoking 2 packs of day like I used to, I use snus. Instead of drinking heavily or doing hard drugs, I smoke pot. If I die a little sooner than I otherwise would have, at least I get pleasure of walking around the city at night, stoned out of my gourd, with a portion or a pris in my lip. At least I'll have lived a (for the most part) contented life.

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            • Kindrd
              Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 266

              #7
              I will always be a tobacco user. I am just glad that I found such a nice alternative to smokes.

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              • TropicalBob
                Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 316

                #8
                Snus is, at present, the healthiest alternative to smoking, but the question I got out of this is whether it's better to quit. The answer is, without room for argument, yes. It's an addiction with possible health consequences. Much healthier than cigarette smoking, but ...

                The thing we "love" is the fact that this substance calms the beast it created and maintains inside each of us. There would be no beast to feed at regular intervals if it wasn't for nicotine addiction. So, yes, ridding ourselves of addiction is the best course. But it's hard.

                The Wolf sounds like he knows addiction. So do I.

                I need my beast fed many times a day. But oh how I wish I'd never mounted this demon just for the fun of it.

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                • Shrewd
                  Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 118

                  #9
                  Personally, I'm one of those smokers who is using snus to quit an even worse habit - so for me the decision is relatively easy. I do agree that quitting snus is the best of all worlds, and maybe one day I'll get there... That being said, if nothing else, I'm moving to a healthier habit for my kids. I want to live a long healthly life for their sake and I think by switching to snus, I'm adding valuable years to that total. Would I do better quitting? Without a doubt. But I have tried so many times to quit smokes that it's not funny, and the "beast" still lives strong. However, with snus I keep him content and I add valuable years to my life at the same time. Eventually, I'd like to quit snus, but only at such a time that I don't have to worry about smokes coming back. The trick to smokes is to get rid of the habits, and snus helps in that area.

                  Should you quit tobacco completely? Yes, without a doubt. Can you quit tobacco (honestly)? Depends... if not, use snus, if so, then quit. It really is that simple.

                  Snus is a great form of tobacco, but it's not perfect, I don't think anyone here will disagree that it presents some possible form of negative impact on health - however minute it might be.

                  I agree with TropicalBob - if I could go back to when I was young and not have ever entered an agreement with the beast, I'd happily change how I did things. Statistically speaking, I've probably taken 5 years off my life, I'm really happy that I found snus while still a relatively young age.

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                  • chainsnuser
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1388

                    #10
                    When I was a smoker, I thought every day about quitting. Not always in the meaning that I really wanted to quit, but in the meaning, that it would be better for my health and my life would be easier, given all the smoking bans and the stress one gets from 'militant' non-smokers.

                    With snus, I only thought two times about quitting (pure theoretically, without the aim to really quit).

                    First time was once, when after 4 hours of non-snusing, I still felt comfortable (as a smoker I always felt 'half-dead' after 4 hours of involuntary non-smoking) and I just thought "wow, maybe I could even quit easily, if I wanted to". I guess snus makes quitting a matter of the will, while when quitting smoking, all the undisclosed addiction-enhancing additives, that surely are in cigarettes, make it much more of a hassle. Without snus, I never would have managed to quit smoking. I also remember, as a new smoker, back in the 80's and early 90's, I managed to quit smoking a few times (for some weeks or months) and it was quite easy. I only took up smoking again, because I wanted to, not because I had to. Maybe I was dumb. Nowadays, cigarettes seem to be a designer-drug, rather than a natural tobacco product. Quitters really have a very hard time. I wonder why, despite of all the anti-smoking-movement, cigarette-manufacturers can add almost everything to cigarettes.

                    Second time is now, just to answer to this topic.

                    I second TropicalBob and Shrewd, that many of the positive effects of nicotine-use are in one's brain, rather simulated by the drug itself than real. But I also believe that there are some real medical benefits. It's not political correct to communicate any positive health-effects of nicotine, one can't make money by telling that nicotine has some positive effects, and therefore not many researchers do so. Maybe we 'addicts' should buy some of the books about the real effects of tobacco, written by serious scientists, instead of feeling guilty for being an addict all the time and thereby feeding all the psychotic anti-tobacco-liars. Some of the real positive effects of nicotine have been discussed here on the forum, so I will not echo them.

                    I don't have a problem with my nicotine addiction. I'm much more "addicted" to water, food and air BTW. Without nicotine, I could easily survive, without other things I would be dead within minutes or days. That's my simple philosophy.

                    ChemicalsLie, quitting an addiction is an absolute natural thing. Just do it, if you want to. There's nothing to fear and there are no dangerous side-effects, if you quit nicotine (unlike many pharmaceutical products). I don't even feel, that I have to wish you luck, because if you really want to quit then you'll simply make it. Keep us updated about your experiences when quitting and I guess, even as a non-tobacco user, everyone will welcome you here on the forum. Just don't become a psychotic tobacco-hater, like so many ex-tobacco-users, who feel shitty after quitting and think, that everyone should feel the same.

                    Oh yes, in this sense I wish you luck, that you'll feel fine after quitting. For most people, after a few days, it's indeed the same, with or without tobacco, so just try it!

                    Cheers!

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                    • ChemicalsLie
                      Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 22

                      #11
                      i've decided not to quit snus. i was thinking about this and it occured to me.

                      I drink 10 liters of Mountain Dew every week. that is $20 a week. $80 a month. I am so addicted, that when i was in Costa Rica this summer, i drank Coca Cola and Coffee non stop to keep up with the caffine intake.

                      I eat at Taco Bell everyday. We have a nice tacobell on our mealplan at the university, and i eat a grilled stuffed burrito every day for diner. That is awful. and also a hair over $18 a week.

                      (just to say this, i'm not a fat american. i'm about 155 lbs, 5'9, athletic build)

                      I kinda realized that if i wanna say "oh...snus is so bad..." it's kinda a load of crap. the mexican food and soda is having a far more extreme impact on my dental health and my cardiovascular fitness than Roda Lacket ever could.

                      So in instead of quitting snus, i'm quitting the real problem. Soda, and unhealthy eating habits. Snus can stay, in nice moderation (maybe a can a week). I'm saving money, improving my health, and keeping something i enjoy.

                      Thank you for all the input, also.

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                      • ChemicalsLie
                        Member
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 22

                        #12
                        also, no more beer that comes for less than $15 a case. that's pathetic, and i have way more class. (convenient budwiser is fifteen a case here...but no more NattyLite, Jacob's Best, Beast, Pabst...gah)

                        On that note, cigars must come from a dedicated cigar shop, not 7/11.

                        And wine is not going from a box to my mouth.

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                        • Jason
                          Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1370

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ChemicalsLie
                          I eat at Taco Bell everyday.
                          You are very brave, my friend; your toilet must beg for mercy every night. :lol:

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                          • Shrewd
                            Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 118

                            #14
                            Once I got out of college, my minimum beer went way up. Budweiser doesn't even come close to cutting it . I don't think any of the beer I buy anymore even comes in a "case" . There is one exception: my homebrew typically is a little bit less than $15/case (average) so that probably meets your criteria (but it's usually a lot better than Bud). Generally now I drink some form of a microbrew or a true microbrew (my garage ).

                            I agree with the pop thing. I used to drink 15+ cans of Mt. Dew a day which in college!!! I scaled that back to now I drink 2 cans of pop at most a day (no coffee). That had a pretty tremendous affect on my overall health. It was hard to scale back though - I had to do it in stages (1 less can each day). But, I like Mt. Dew - so I let myself have 1 in the morning and 1 for lunch.

                            I don't drink wine, but I agree with your cigar comment.

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                            • The Wolf
                              Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 132

                              #15
                              I've noticed that snus and cafine go along very well but they also replace oneanother. For example; when I'm out of snus, I drink a hell lot of coffee and when I have snus, I drink far less. I've become sorta addicted to coffee also but the funny thing is, I started drinking it around last Christmas and started snusing a year earlier.

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