Allicin (from garlic) and the possible benefits for your heart.

[devilock76]

A lot was made years ago about the Mediterranean diet. That worked really well until the Greeks and Italians got more wealth, and stopped eating the traditional peasant food. Now they eat more meat like Americans, and they have the same problems we do. The same thing has happened to all the third world cultures. Their food was good for them until they started eating like Americans.

Lesson? Eat more natural, minimally processed food, more fish, less land meat, and more vegetables. Eating like a peasant is good for you, cheaper, and better for the planet. It's also damned tasty, but requires a bit more work. Any retard can make meat taste good, but it takes more skill to do it with veggies.

I have greatly reduced my meat and dairy intake since the vegan experiment and it has done me well. Although I will say for the most part I find veggie prep and cooking much easier than meat, always have. I think the real trick to a more plant based diet is to not get bored or in a rut. You have to experiment or else it starts to feel like the same thing over and over again.

Ken

[sgreger1]

For every time you all decrease your meat consumption I will increase mine two-fold. For example, after reading this thread I will be eating double meat for dinner tonight. Humans are not herbavores, need to eat some fish or something at least.

@LX, your right, the peasant diet is definately what works. It's part of the general problem where we have become a society of peasants that live like yesterdays kings, we eat like only royalty was allowed to for most of humanity. MORE BUTTER FOR MY LOBSTER JEEVES! SNAP SNAP!

[devilock76]

For every time you all decrease your meat consumption I will increase mine two-fold. For example, after reading this thread I will be eating double meat for dinner tonight. Humans are not herbavores, need to eat some fish or something at least.

@LX, your right, the peasant diet is definately what works. It's part of the general problem where we have become a society of peasants that live like yesterdays kings, we eat like only royalty was allowed to for most of humanity. MORE BUTTER FOR MY LOBSTER JEEVES! SNAP SNAP!

Humans are not carnivores either.

Ken

[snusgetter]

Sounds like foodivores should cover all bases...

[Mrobin52]

We're called omnivores for a reason right? All diet preferences aside, to me it seems obvious that the majority of people should simply eat more vegetables.

[devilock76]

We're called omnivores for a reason right? All diet preferences aside, to me it seems obvious that the majority of people should simply eat more vegetables.

That would sum it up well. The way current "developed" nations consume meat and dairy products is vastly different from the historical diets of most cultures. In fact our diet actually changes as a matter of evolution. For example why being lactose intolerant is rarest among people of European decent.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Humans are not carnivores either.

Ken

No, humans are omnivores. A steady balance of both meats and greens is what is healthy. But this was adapted out of survival (like all other animals) and allows us to survive off nuts and greens when placed in a protien scare environment like the jungle. Ideally though the human body favors high amounts of protien, especially i your early years, so the more protien the better. But nowadays you can easily get protien without meat so it's kind of a moot point anyways, what with soy products and all. Still tastes like shit though.

[sgreger1]

That would sum it up well. The way current "developed" nations consume meat and dairy products is vastly different from the historical diets of most cultures. In fact our diet actually changes as a matter of evolution. For example why being lactose intolerant is rarest among people of European decent.

Ken

It's also why asians can't hold their liquor

[lxskllr]

I didn't /really/ even make the point I intended to make. I do that a lot :^/

What I had in my head, was a natural diet with a wide variety of minimally processed food will be better than a magic gel cap. As much as I like science, and technology, I'm distrustful of it's use in food. Many times there's more to a chemical than can be distilled down to it's essence. Many here have encountered that with nicotine replacement. Patches and gum have the nicotine you want, so it has to be just as good as tobacco, right? The overwhelming opinion I've seen is no; it isn't just as good as tobacco. Food imo is likely, though I'm sure not always, the same way. Combining the "magic" stuff, with the not so magic stuff will give a better balance, better use by the body, and have fewer side effects. We've evolved over eons to eat what the earth has provided, and our bodies are tuned to work with those provisions. Trying to one up nature is counterproductive, and I find food patents(different modified crop stuffs) offensive.

The above is all kind of touchy/feely, without any science to back it up, but it makes sense to me, and has been bolstered by empirical evidence observing cultures that live closer to the earth.

[sgreger1]

I didn't /really/ even make the point I intended to make. I do that a lot :^/

What I had in my head, was a natural diet with a wide variety of minimally processed food will be better than a magic gel cap. As much as I like science, and technology, I'm distrustful of it's use in food. Many times there's more to a chemical than can be distilled down to it's essence. Many here have encountered that with nicotine replacement. Patches and gum have the nicotine you want, so it has to be just as good as tobacco, right? The overwhelming opinion I've seen is no; it isn't just as good as tobacco. Food imo is likely, though I'm sure not always, the same way. Combining the "magic" stuff, with the not so magic stuff will give a better balance, better use by the body, and have fewer side effects. We've evolved over eons to eat what the earth has provided, and our bodies are tuned to work with those provisions. Trying to one up nature is counterproductive, and I find food patents(different modified crop stuffs) offensive.

The above is all kind of touchy/feely, without any science to back it up, but it makes sense to me, and has been bolstered by empirical evidence observing cultures that live closer to the earth.

I don't think anyone would argue with that at all. The human body is, like you said, built only one way and that is to live off the land, and the nicotene replacement products are the absolute perfect example. An interesting question would be, how long do we have to eat processed food before the body begins to adapt to it and require it as a necessity to it's survival? What if some day we become to dependent on technology and GMO/processed food that when the machine stops and we have to go live otuside again, our bodies are unable to process regular food from the earth? Extremely unlikely and would take way more thousands of years than we are likely to exist, but an interesting question none the less.

[lxskllr]

An interesting question would be, how long do we have to eat processed food before the body begins to adapt to it and require it as a necessity to it's survival? What if some day we become to dependent on technology and GMO/processed food that when the machine stops and we have to go live otuside again, our bodies are unable to process regular food from the earth? Extremely unlikely and would take way more thousands of years than we are likely to exist, but an interesting question none the less.

I think we're seeing that now. Not with food per se, but with allergies, and people who have reactions to "the world". We're becoming detached from the world around us; always surrounded by our sterile little cocoons, and some people can't acclimate. I foresee the day when what is now minor issue, becomes a debilitating illness, and threatens death. I don't know what it takes to encode that in genes, but we could end up being a world full of delicate flowers.

[granola]

I love this guy's approach: "Primal Living in the Modern World".

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/welco...s-daily-apple/

[GoVegan]

A lot was made years ago about the Mediterranean diet. That worked really well until the Greeks and Italians got more wealth, and stopped eating the traditional peasant food. Now they eat more meat like Americans, and they have the same problems we do. The same thing has happened to all the third world cultures. Their food was good for them until they started eating like Americans.

Lesson? Eat more natural, minimally processed food, more fish, less land meat, and more vegetables. Eating like a peasant is good for you, cheaper, and better for the planet. It's also damned tasty, but requires a bit more work. Any retard can make meat taste good, but it takes more skill to do it with veggies.

Bravo dude!

[lxskllr]

I love this guy's approach: "Primal Living in the Modern World".

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/welco...s-daily-apple/

It looks like his philosophy is pretty closely aligned with mine. He takes a more commercial approach, but I guess he has to eat too :^D

[EricHill78]

Only supplement I take is L theanine for stress.. seems to be helping so far