every once and awhile the big C comes up

[Bigblue1]

So I just found this on my puter. Pretty definitive study that i am always looking for on oral tobacco. Just thought I'd post it and some might book mark it, so I don't forever have to be the guy looking for it. If not Oh wells!
http://cro.sagepub.com/content/15/5/252.full

[Mawdryn]

Wow...based on this table, you REALLY don't want to mess with Bruton or Red Seal snuff!

I read a study once where oral cancer rates were extremely high in Southern female snuff users back in the day, probably because they all used Bruton...

[Bigblue1]

Remember that is based on dry weight, Dry snuff is by nature at least 50% concentrated than other forms of Oral........

[lxskllr]

Good find Blue. That basically says that moist snuff and leaf chew are about as safe as food.

To play devils advocate, that study was done by Dr. Rodu, with funding from the tobacco industry. While that fact should induce skepticism, you have to look at the other side's studies, or lack thereof. I never see studies, facts, or anything else from the anti tobacco zealots. They run their mouths, and distort truth to further their agendas, without producing anything of value. Dr. Rodu cites sources, and we can go behind him and check his conclusions. I don't think it's beyond our ability to do so, but it's tedious, unpaid work. For my part, I trust his findings, and until someone comes out with FACTS that are different, I'll take them at face value.

[Ease]

Good info. Thanx for posting that.

[Ansel]

Nice one Big Blue - i hadn't seen this report until now. Thank you.

[Snusdog]

Great find Blue!!

As I was reading one part of the study brought to mind something that GN said when answering questions about the manufacturing of Extreme and the resulting TSNA levels. I remember he responded at one point by talking about the specific tobaccos he selects as having a lot to do with the low TSNA count in Extreme. The quote below seems to address the same idea

The conditions favoring TSNA formation have been studied intensively over the past decade (Bush et al., 2001), allowing leaf growers and manufacturers to use several strategies to minimize TSNA levels in SLT products. One promising line of investigation involves the development of tobacco cultivars that produce low concentrations of alkaloids, with special emphasis on the inhibition of nornicotine and NNN formation

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Great find Blue!!

As I was reading one part of the study brought to mind something that GN said when answering questions about the manufacturing of Extreme and the resulting TSNA levels. I remember he responded at one point by talking about the specific tobaccos he selects as having a lot to do with the low TSNA count in Extreme. The quote below seems to address the same idea

Bravo Snusdog and great Bigblu

[Mawdryn]

Remember that is based on dry weight, Dry snuff is by nature at least 50% concentrated than other forms of Oral........

Still, a TSNA level over 1000 makes me a tad nervous...

[lxskllr]

Still, a TSNA level over 1000 makes me a tad nervous...

Adding water brings it down to 500. No problem :^D

[spirit72]

Adding water brings it down to 500. No problem :^D

It was interesting that they only had info for American snuffs, though. I'd be interested to see how they compare to others, especially German and English snuffs.

[lxskllr]

It was interesting that they only had info for American snuffs, though. I'd be interested to see how they compare to others, especially German and English snuffs.

I bet a lot of the English/European snuffs are equally as high. As smoky as Molens A/P is, I bet it puts Bruton to shame. Used nasally, the quantities of snuff are much smaller than oral use, so the per weight quantity of bad stuff won't be as bad.

[precious007]

guays I guess it's time to quit snuff ... as they say it has the highest TSNA levels... and worry less about dip or chew...

[AtreyuKun]

I was under the impression that nasal snuff was one of the safest forms of tobacco. Am I wrong in this? I've got several tins of Toque that my great grandchildren will be working on when they're in their 70's. Should I stop using?

[Ansel]

Well with nasal snuff you mostly blow it all out your nose so it doesn't go into your body.