The religion of peace is at it again.

[Frosted]

The explosion

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ac_1284166316

The aftermath

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8af_1284166487

Admittedly there are issues in this region - but yet again muslims see fit to target innocent men women and children. This infuriates me as suicide bombing innocent people has no strategy is worthless and is disgusting at whatever perspective you're looking at this from. I could understand a government target or something with strategic value to the cause - but really, what are these people on!! I've never seen a jew drive a car into a market place or wherever and detonate a deadly cargo.

It's a selfish fetish for random life taking - and today I'm remembering 11th September like the rest of you - and I'm still with shock and rage.

And if we're going to get onto Israel, my views are clear - when you're surrounded by these nutcases you have to be firm.

An 18 month old toddler was also killed - I think that may be the child in the first video walking hand in hand with its mother (00.04)

[raptor]

To answer your question about not seeing a Jew commit terrorist bombings, they have happened in the past, but because they were fighting for freedom (against the British) it's ok. Not to mention their terrorist leaders later became Israeli leaders.

(by no means do I condone this terrible violence, from either side)

[Frosted]

But this is my point.
The above video is an example of so called 'warfare' with no strategic value. This is simply willful taking of life.
At least the Israelis were fighting a 'proper' war with excellent organisation and clear strategy which quickly gained a result.
There have been other threads on this topic and yes Israelis did commit war crimes. War crimes have been committed in all wars by all sides.

The willful bombing of innocent civilians, especially children bothers me. There's something very wrong here and it's definately insanity.

Certainly not all muslims would ever want to do this or even think about doing it, but it is sad and problematic for humanity that a religion can be interpreted to condone extreme and random violence.
I shouldn't think that it's long before this disease of the mind returns to our own doorsteps.

[Frosted]

I've just discovered that the area where this took place is only a short drive from Beslan where 187 schoolchildren were massacred out of a total of 334 dead (334 being the exact figure of all British troops killed during the whole of the second Iraqi conflict - just to give a bit of perspective).

[WickedKitchen]

Is there really such a thing as a proper war?

I understand this point, but rules for war have always perplexed me. This, along with all of the other acts like this is despicable. The value of life is different to them. It isn't much different from that not-so-good artist from Germany about seventy years ago.

[Frosted]

"is there really such a thing as a proper war" - everything in our society is down to the perception of the masses. The more people that find something unacceptable - well then it's unacceptable.

The acts above are generally deemed as terrorism and unacceptable due to the actions inflicted upon the innocents and not upon a uniformed or organised force.

[CoderGuy]

"is there really such a thing as a proper war" - everything in our society is down to the perception of the masses. The more people that find something unacceptable - well then it's unacceptable.

The acts above are generally deemed as terrorism and unacceptable due to the actions inflicted upon the innocents and not upon a uniformed or organised force.

I didn't realize the Chechens were Islamic (I assume that is the "religion of peace" you are referring). I can't keep straight which religious extremists are killing innocents depending on the area of the world.

BTW, love the sig LOL

[tom502]

Actions like these are usually 99% Muslim.
Yeah, the Chechen thing is Islamist sepratists wanting their own Islamic sharia nation to breakway from the other nation. Like if all the Muslims in the US took over Florida, and wanted to seceed from the rest of the nation, and if the government did't go for it, they started blowing up schools, etc.

[CoderGuy]

Actions like these are usually 99% Muslim.
Yeah, the Chechen thing is Islamist sepratists wanting their own Islamic sharia nation to breakway from the other nation. Like if all the Muslims in the US took over Florida, and wanted to seceed from the rest of the nation, and if the government did't go for it, they started blowing up schools, etc.

Ah. Well now you're just predicting the future. I hear 1/2 of Britain is under sharia already. Examples like this week show it won't be long before it takes over here in the US. The thing that irritates me is people aren't taking that seriously. Most of the things against sharia have outspoken critics here already; i.e. porn, homosexuality, strong intelligent women. So once "they" start terrorizing us to get rid of these things we will have many non-terrorists rallying behind them to meet their own agendas. The problem is once those are abolished, "they" will then turn on their supporters and start "affecting" their freedoms as well, and then the supporters will start crying, "This is America! How did we let this happen?"

Idiots.

[raptor]

Actions like these are usually 99% Muslim.

Read up on the wars in Yugoslavia.

[raptor]

But this is my point.
The above video is an example of so called 'warfare' with no strategic value. This is simply willful taking of life.
At least the Israelis were fighting a 'proper' war with excellent organisation and clear strategy which quickly gained a result.
There have been other threads on this topic and yes Israelis did commit war crimes. War crimes have been committed in all wars by all sides.

The willful bombing of innocent civilians, especially children bothers me. There's something very wrong here and it's definately insanity.

Certainly not all muslims would ever want to do this or even think about doing it, but it is sad and problematic for humanity that a religion can be interpreted to condone extreme and random violence.
I shouldn't think that it's long before this disease of the mind returns to our own doorsteps.

The Israelis hardly fight proper wars. They are equally provocative, if not more so.

And while yes suicide bombing gets a lot of attention, our press is very want to dismiss a lot of the details of the Israeli apartheid state which has killed thousands of civilians in retaliation for some poorly fired rocket devices.

[tom502]

If I was mad about my Dr. bill, and set up bombs in the local mall because of it, I'd be a terrorist.

[dreed2]

Watched those videos and I'm speechless. There is no excuse for this.

[EricHill78]

Off topic...

What the hell is with the thumbnail advertisements on the bottom of the screen?

[sgreger1]

The Israelis hardly fight proper wars. They are equally provocative, if not more so.

And while yes suicide bombing gets a lot of attention, our press is very want to dismiss a lot of the details of the Israeli apartheid state which has killed thousands of civilians in retaliation for some poorly fired rocket devices.

No press gives poor coverage of israel, what channel are you watching? When israel does something, every network is on them. Some media outlets, like AP, even go as far as photoshopping pictures to make the israelis look bad. The media is the most anti-israel of all organizations.

And what do you mean poorly fired rockets. Does them being poorly trained somehow make their crime less valid? This is classic underdog syndrome. The winner gets hated on, and the loser gets to play the victim card. Poor old hezbolah, with their poorly trained rockets. Those evil jew bastards are just so terrible for laying the smackdown on them like they do. This is like when someone gets in a fight and the weak guy gets beat up, he is somehow the victim, even if he started it.