1984, here we come

[truthwolf1]

There is only about a year left for the masses to rise or a Romney puppet will lead the sheep to a complete slaughter.
It is very important to get people to understand this is a one party system.

[Simplysnus]

The libertarian party doesn't have any strong leadership or central command structure like the 2 big parties do. Libertarians are not as lock-step on every issue. There is not a consistent partyline. Some believe in nearly no government or regulation of any kind, and some believe in minimal government and only essential regulation. Theres too many different types of liertarianism, and is kind of just a safe havent o get away from the big parties, like being an independent but with anti-government leanings.

I've been a libertarian for over a decade, so I'm aware, you just used the "we" term in describing and I wanted to make sure you were aware of the pretty intrinsic divide in the party.

[sgreger1]

I've been a libertarian for over a decade, so I'm aware, you just used the "we" term in describing and I wanted to make sure you were aware of the pretty intrinsic divide in the party.

Yah I suppose "we" isn't the right term to use. "Some of us", would be better, lol. That's what I like about the party though, and it's also what I like about the tea party (prior to GOP takeover). The tea party was without leadership and pretty much just a general forum to bitch about government, and anyone with any view was welcome to join in. Now, like your favorite rock band, it has gone corporate and I no longer want to listen to them.

If the libertarians ever became a viable third party, they would be taken over as well. Ron Paul is honestly the only politician I have ever seen or read of that doesn't seem to cave to the influence of the larger party though, but the rest would.

[sgreger1]

I've been a libertarian for over a decade, so I'm aware, you just used the "we" term in describing and I wanted to make sure you were aware of the pretty intrinsic divide in the party.

Also, which brand of libertarian are you? Are you the JustinTemplar (left) version, the Sgreger1 (right) version, the anarchist version, which flavor do you prefer?

[Simplysnus]

Also, which brand of libertarian are you? Are you the JustinTemplar (left) version, the Sgreger1 (right) version, the anarchist version, which flavor do you prefer?

That's a difficult question, I would say I have tended towards the right version in theory, however in practice I see some compelling situations for the left version.

[lxskllr]

Pirate Party USA!

http://www.pirate-party.us/page.php?8

[GoVegan]

Oh yes I am shocked, SHOCKED, to hear that the court has ruled against freedom. Surely this must be some new precedent. Lol Simplysnus, they do this shit all day man it's what they get paid for. No one has overturned the patriot act, we still have torture by rendition, no trials for US defectors who are targeted for assasination, and probably a whole host of other shit we don't hear about as often.

Well said!

[deadohsky]

As embarrassing as it is, i have yet to read this book. Think i'll pick up a copy on pay day.

[Simplysnus]

As embarrassing as it is, i have yet to read this book. Think i'll pick up a copy on pay day.

Free!
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984

[Simplysnus]

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...f02-ar-466728/

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...814-ar-425745/

[snusgetter]

Take it with you...

Free! <<<Read free online!>>>
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984

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[NonServiam]

Also, which brand of libertarian are you? Are you the JustinTemplar (left) version, the Sgreger1 (right) version, the anarchist version, which flavor do you prefer?

As with all other categorizations in our society, I once again experience trouble in political parties. I don't consider myself Republican because I disagree with their stances on religion, censorship, etc... They are the moral police.

I don't consider myself Democrat, well because...of everything they stand for, with exception to secularism.

I find most agreement in Libertarianism, but even then, I disagree with some of the Libertarian Party's stances. Just one stance actually, which I will not address here because it is "hot button" issue and is sure to ensue a 500 page thread. So I guess I'm a Libertarian with a right slant. Or maybe just Independent.

In reference to the topic of this thread and the gov't tracking. Once again it's just another step to us becoming the society not only envisioned in 1984, but also in the Hollywood movies. Somethings gotta give, and when it does, it won't be pretty.

[sgreger1]

Isnt it funny too how its a crime to videotape a cop beating someones ass, because it breaks wiretapping laws, and yet the gov can freely wiretap you at any time without reason or warrant and it's cool. lol

[NonServiam]

Isnt it funny too how its a crime to videotape a cop beating someones ass, because it breaks wiretapping laws, and yet the gov can freely wiretap you at any time without reason or warrant and it's cool. lol

I could be wrong here, but the last time I checked you can pretty much videotape anything you want as long as the person(s) are in a public venue and it is not done in a clandestine manner (like up a woman's skirt or something). Sure, lots of cops will tell you to turn off that camera, but as long as you are not compromising an investigation or as long as you are far enough away that you do not constitute a threat to them while they turn their back to you to deal with whatever situation, it's legal. They could try arresting you for it, but the courts will find you not guilty. Unless they charge you with obstructing for failing to leave the area, but they have to be able to articulate why you were a safety concern.

http://flexyourrights.org/faq/can_I_videotape_police

If that has changed, than we are in serious trouble considering the gov't freedom to attach tracking devices to a vehicle.

[sgreger1]

I could be wrong here, but the last time I checked you can pretty much videotape anything you want as long as the person(s) are in a public venue and it is not done in a clandestine manner (like up a woman's skirt or something). Sure, lots of cops will tell you to turn off that camera, but as long as you are not compromising an investigation or as long as you are far enough away that you do not constitute a threat to them while they turn their back to you to deal with whatever situation, it's legal. They could try arresting you for it, but the courts will find you not guilty. Unless they charge you with obstructing for failing to leave the area, but they have to be able to articulate why you were a safety concern.

http://flexyourrights.org/faq/can_I_videotape_police

If that has changed, than we are in serious trouble considering the gov't freedom to attach tracking devices to a vehicle.

Yes, it has changed. Its actually been a big issue lately. People videotaping cops when they get pulled over etc has been ruled to be a violation of wiretap laws. Its absolutely criminal in every way. Ill find some links, i was just reading about this on friday which is why i brought it up. Things are changing so fast around here.