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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
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    Declassified: Churchill covered up UFO's

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-incident.html

    The former Prime Minister allegedly banned reporting of the “bizarre” incident, off the east coast of England, for half a century amid fears disclosures about unidentified flying objects would create public hysteria.

    He is said to have made the orders during a secret war meeting with US General Dwight Eisenhower, the then commander of the Allied Forces, at an undisclosed location in America during the latter part of the conflict.

    The claims are contained in thousands of pages of declassified files on UFOs, released on Thursday online by the National Archives.

    The 18 files, which cover from 1995 to 2003, are made up of more than 5,000 pages of reports, letters, and drawings drawn from correspondence with the public and questions raised in parliament.


    During their flight, on the English coast, possibly near Cumbria, their aircraft was approached by a metallic UFO which shadowed them.

    Photographs of the object, which the crew claimed had “hovered noiselessly” near the plane, were taken by the crew.

    Later, during discussions about the unexplained incident, the two men were claimed to have become so concerned by the incident that Churchill ordered it remain secret for 50 years or more.

    During the meeting, a weapons expert dismissed suggestions the object was a missile as the event was "totally beyond any imagined capabilities of the time".

    Another person at the meeting raised the possibility of a UFO, at which point Churchill ordered the report to be classified for at least half a century and reviewed by the prime minister to stop “panic” spreading.

    "Mr Churchill is reported to have made a declaration to the effect of the following: 'This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic among the general population and destroy one's belief in the Church'."

    Apart from telling his daughter – the scientist’s mother – about the incident when she was nine, the bodyguard, who was “greatly affected by his experience”, only disclosed the details to his wife on his deathbed in 1973.


    After investigating the claims, an MoD official said there was no evidence to support the claims as all “UFO files before 1967 were destroyed after five years” due to insufficient public interest. This was supported by a Cabinet Office official.

    While there was documents supporting the events, historians last night believed it more than likely occurred.

    They said that Churchill had a known interest with UFOs, even asking for a report in 1952 on “flying saucers” and what it “amounted to”.

    Dr David Clarke, author of The UFO files and Senior Lecturer in Journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, said the “fascinating” files showed the level of concern about such “bizarre incidents” during the war.

    “It does tie in with what we already know as you have to remember that this was also long before the phrase UFO was created,” he said.

    “I suspect there is an element of truth to the statement.”





    140 years of UFO sightings, starting with the oldest picture of a UFo taken in 1870. (Don't think we had airplanes in 1870...)

    ^^^ These are great pictures, many of them taken in the early 1900's and even 1800's, before we had planes. They show pictures of people pointing and staring at the UFO's etc. Regardless of what UFO's are, we know they were extremely advanced for their time (even appearing before airplanes were invented). So they are real, the question is what they are. Dozens of very clear photographs of UFO's were taken loooong before they ever had photoshop, so it makes you wonder, wtf was flying around at the beginning of last century?
  • snusjus
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    • Jun 2008
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    There were still ways to manipulate photos during that time period. Did you ever hear about the man who took photographs in the early 1900's and put real-looking farries in them? He convinced a lot of people that farries existed, but confessed years later that it was a hoax. I still don't believe in UFOs...

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    • lxskllr
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      • Sep 2007
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      #3
      Are you saying the Nazis time traveled too?

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      • sgreger1
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        Originally posted by snusjus View Post
        There were still ways to manipulate photos during that time period. Did you ever hear about the man who took photographs in the early 1900's and put real-looking farries in them? He convinced a lot of people that farries existed, but confessed years later that it was a hoax. I still don't believe in UFOs...

        I understand that, but I mean cummon, you believe that 100 years worth of pictures were doctored to create some hoax? That would have to be a multigenerational conspiracy theory of epic proportions, to have yours kids and your kids kids all doctor photos just to make people believe in UFO's. Seems kind of unrealistic to me.

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        • tom502
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          • Feb 2009
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          #5
          These were probably German saucer craft. But, I don't think had enough of them, or enough of them perfected to fight the war, so they took what they had and left town.

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          • lxskllr
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            • Sep 2007
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            #6
            Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
            I understand that, but I mean cummon, you believe that 100 years worth of pictures were doctored to create some hoax? That would have to be a multigenerational conspiracy theory of epic proportions, to have yours kids and your kids kids all doctor photos just to make people believe in UFO's. Seems kind of unrealistic to me.
            I'd liken it to folk tales, where there's a cultural inclination to perpetuate a hoax. I don't have an opinion on UFOs. Those, like ghosts interest me, but I'm highly skeptical of their existence. I'm not willing to say they don't exist, but I'd like to see concrete evidence. That evidence isn't a picture. It's something physical that can be tested, and measured using scientific instruments.

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            • sgreger1
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              • Mar 2009
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              #7
              I am not sure what the ufo thing is, but its something. Maybe something extraordinary and maybe something easly explainable.


              I can see why people in our times would hoax ufos or mistake normal things for ufos, but how do you explain people in the 1800's? Those farmers were worrying about aliens and theyd never seen an airplane. Why would they want to perpetuate a hoax? The ufo thing could be easily explained away if it werent for the fact that theyve been around since before humans invented flight. That really makes me wonder what was flying around, and what some of these pictures are.


              Maybe the government has better tech than we think, and maybe its been that way for a long time. Who knows. But someone was flying something around back during the turn of the century and before, and i dont think these are pics of "swamp gas".

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              • lxskllr
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                • Sep 2007
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                #8
                Lighter than air ships have been around since the 18th century at least. People that didn't previously know of their existence might not know what it was they were seeing, especially in rural areas.

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                • sgreger1
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                  • Mar 2009
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                  Lighter than air ships have been around since the 18th century at least. People that didn't previously know of their existence might not know what it was they were seeing, especially in rural areas.


                  Surely you dont think the ships in the picture im referring to is a blimp? Im talking pictures of flying saucers, seems kind of unlikely they would make a metal blimp in that shape with no carriage below.

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                  • lxskllr
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                    • Sep 2007
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                    Surely you dont think the ships in the picture im referring to is a blimp? Im talking pictures of flying saucers, seems kind of unlikely they would make a metal blimp in that shape with no carriage below.
                    Cameras do weird things. They can distort images in weird ways, and that's not counting outright fraud. Photoshop through the years...

                    http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/re...italtampering/

                    I'm not really arguing one way or the other(well, I guess I am in a way), but photos lie as often as people. I'd rather see some UFO debris, with a metallurgical analysis. That would convince me.

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                    • f. bandersnatch
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                      • Mar 2010
                      • 725

                      #11
                      ^My favorite is the "Lcpl Boudreaux killed my Dad then he knocked up my sister" image from 2004. Best April fools joke ever.

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                      • sgreger1
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                        • Mar 2009
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                        Cameras do weird things. They can distort images in weird ways, and that's not counting outright fraud. Photoshop through the years...

                        http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/re...italtampering/

                        I'm not really arguing one way or the other(well, I guess I am in a way), but photos lie as often as people. I'd rather see some UFO debris, with a metallurgical analysis. That would convince me.

                        And i'd like to see physical evidence of the higgs boson particle or of evolution but there are some obvious difficulties in providing this. I mean if a UFO crashed I doubt one could just collect pieces and take it to your local metallurgist or chemist, the gov would likely swoop it up then say "classified bitches", and you couldn't even take it to court.


                        I agree with you, photos are not enough, but to me the things that are being photographed are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to clear to be "distortions". It's something, and the fact its been seen for so long further enforces my belief in that. I would say it's just government prototype jews like the stealth but I mean this started before humans invented airplanes, jets etc etc, so it seems pretty unlikely.



                        I don't know either way, photos aren't enough but due to government intervention I doubt we will see any pieces of ships anytime soon, no matter where they are from. It is obvious that the government has taken an interest in the UFO thing for at least 6o years (every government of every developed country) so there must be something to it, and they are likely recovering any evidence that may or may not be out there.

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                        • tom502
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                          • Feb 2009
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                          #13
                          It was a Haunebu II I'm pretty sure. Those did engage allied aircraft a few times. So, we can see they were used in the war, they were just not ready for a full scale counter attack. The Haunebu and Vril craft were relocated to the Antarctic Neu Schwabenland shortly before the war ended.

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                          • tom502
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                            • Feb 2009
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                            #14
                            Another interesting thing that's not offically spoken about, is when a Vril craft was in LA on Feb 25, 1942. This was witnessed by 1000's, and the military scrambled it, and spotlights shone on it. I believe it escaped. The pics are not the best, it was night, but the saucer craft can be made out:

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