Obesity-monsanto

[timholian]

So if mindless sheep eat whatever corporate America puts on their dinner plates is it the corporations fault or is it the fault of the mindless sheep who believe what they are told and buy the latest garbage like good little sheep?

Take some responsibility and think for yourselves for a change.

You mean the same corporations that we subsidize?
You mean the same corporation that uses private investigators to make sure seeds from one farm aren't blown into another farm only to sue the latter farm for growing "Pirated seeds" even though the seeds were growing in a ditch with no knowledge from the owner?

You make a good point..... but thats not what my problem with Monsanto is, its the bullying of the American Farmer that has chapped my ass.

There have been plenty of articles written about this, I don't feel the need to link.

[sgreger1]

So if mindless sheep eat whatever corporate America puts on their dinner plates is it the corporations fault or is it the fault of the mindless sheep who believe what they are told and buy the latest garbage like good little sheep?

Take some responsibility and think for yourselves for a change.

I have to disagree Justin. These companies fight very hard to make sure GMO foods aren't labeled as GMO foods, and even when they are forced to label them, they sneak them in as only 1 ingredient (like GMO tomatoes in ketchup) and therefore don't have to disclose that they are GMO.


Most people (even the ones who want to eat smarter) don't have the ability to know what is in their food, so I can't say all the blame is on them.

[deadohsky]

They are making it challenging with the pure saturation of the market but that is where self-reliance and common sense come into play. Don't buy anything that comes in a box, stay away from processed food, go organic. If you can't find organic food in your area (you aren't looking that hard), grow your own so you know exactly what goes into your food and in turn, you.

It's disgusting what they are doing to the farmers. Can't remember the name of the film i saw it in (Food Matters maybe) but there was a farmer in Canada that was unknowingly growing monsanto seed they took him to court over it. It was concluded that the seed more than likely fell off a passing truck on the highway but to monsanto that doesn't matter. Still THEIR seed. Also irks me that we are trademarking nature.

[justintempler]

I have to disagree Justin. These companies fight very hard to make sure GMO foods aren't labeled as GMO foods, and even when they are forced to label them, they sneak them in as only 1 ingredient (like GMO tomatoes in ketchup) and therefore don't have to disclose that they are GMO.


Most people (even the ones who want to eat smarter) don't have the ability to know what is in their food, so I can't say all the blame is on them.

Ummm, so we just go along and keep quiet like good sheep?

Start taking steps in the right direction. Instead of buying prepackaged processed food go back to basics, and start to buy from local farmers when the choice is available to you. Some progress is better than no progress, no?

I don't buy Kraft's Mac & Cheese . I buy a box of noodles and use shredded cheese, milk, canola oil, and cornstarch.
I don't buy a 10lb tube of ground beef from the warehouse club. I buy a sirloin tip roast and grind my own hamburger.
I don't buy store bought bread. I buy whole wheat flour in 5 pound bags and make my own.

The problem is most people are lazy and they always choose the cheapest alternative even when that alternative is junk.

[danielan]

The problem is most people are lazy and they always choose the cheapest alternative even when that alternative is junk.

I'd agree that most people are cheap. Lazy seems a bit out of place though.

I mean, it's, IMO, a comparative advantage thing. My time is better spent doing what I do for a living then to spend it baking bread or grinding hamburger. And I don't enjoy either of those, so I can't even call that time recreation.

I should, and often do, buy quality food.

I like Kraft Macaroni and Cheese though.

[sgreger1]

Ummm, so we just go along and keep quiet like good sheep?

Start taking steps in the right direction. Instead of buying prepackaged processed food go back to basics, and start to buy from local farmers when the choice is available to you. Some progress is better than no progress, no?

I don't buy Kraft's Mac & Cheese . I buy a box of noodles and use shredded cheese, milk, canola oil, and cornstarch.
I don't buy a 10lb tube of ground beef from the warehouse club. I buy a sirloin tip roast and grind my own hamburger.
I don't buy store bought bread. I buy whole wheat flour in 5 pound bags and make my own.

The problem is most people are lazy and they always choose the cheapest alternative even when that alternative is junk.

While your right in that making everything from scratch is the only way to avoid it, it shouldn't be that way. If things were clearly labeled and the public more aware of what is in their meat and vegetables, consumers would buy things that are non GMO. Not everyone has the time or the facilities to ground their own beef or buy local. While that is the best alternative, there is no reason that should be the ONLY way to get a non-tainted meal, imo. But yes back to basics is the definitive fix for those who don't like GMO foods or meat containing too many chemicals.

The local guys in humboldt county down here are growing some fine grassfed beef, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than storebought crap.

[truthwolf1]

Those pesky conspiracy wackos!

Shocking findings in new GMO study: Rats fed lifetime of GM corn grow horrifying tumors, 70% of females die early

http://www.naturalnews.com/037249_GM...an_damage.html

[devilock76]

Yeah I saw that on facebook.

I also saw this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8KJC1220120919

Incidentally Montesato helped fund the original study... it is in the study abstract. Oddly their detailed data is not...

Ken

[truthwolf1]

Yeah I saw that on facebook.

I also saw this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8KJC1220120919

Incidentally Montesato helped fund the original study... it is in the study abstract. Oddly their detailed data is not...

Ken

I like this line.
"If the effects are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren't the North Americans dropping like flies?

They are!

[devilock76]

I like this line.
"If the effects are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren't the North Americans dropping like flies?

They are!

Oddly life expectancy and infant mortality trends disagree with that assertion. What is your basis for that statement? A verifiable statistic if you will please.

Ken

[Ainkor]

All I'll say is that I stopped buying processed crap about 6 months ago. I'm almost 50 pounds lighter and better off for it. I spend one afternoon a week cooking and I freeze meals for the rest of the week. Works great!

[squeezyjohn]

I don't have any proof that genetically modified food has any adverse effects on the people that eat them. I also don't have any proof that the tactics monsanto are using are dangerous to the environment and agriculture in the long term...

However - my academic training is in genetics - I have a first class degree from Cambridge University in genetics and the natural sciences - and all the basic principles I have ever learnt during my degree lead me to suspect that at least the genes inserted within the monsanto varieties will be detrimental to agriculture in the long term because. It also leads me to believe in the possibility of dangers for people consuming the food from these GMO plants.

It is clear to me that the healthiest diet possible is one which most closely follows the diet of a hunter-gatherer in abundant times - there is no way that the human gut can have evolved significantly in the 10 thousand years or so since agriculture became widespread. We are all genetically hardwired to crave as much protein, fat, salt, sugar and carbohydrate as we can cram in our mouths because there is always a shortage of those things in the hunter-gatherer's diet and because all those things are essential in small amounts so we needed motivation to seek them out. Now those things are available to us 24/7 - the current health problems of western societies are very understandable. The average hunter-gatherer would have got their nutrition from about 1000 species of plants throughout the year - most of us now get our nutrition from under 50!

I am no different for knowing these things - I eat too much fat, meat, salt etc. in my diet - given the way our society works life is too short to not indulge sometimes - but I try to make sure that these excesses are from a variety of sources - all of which I know the provenance, and many of which I grow myself - I hope that by knowing the science behind my desire for unhealthy food I can turn around some of the health problems I am at risk of.

The bottom line is ... the closer you can get to an old fashioned way of getting and processing your food the better it will be for you and your environment - and it will be more tested by time. GM food is none of these things - and it will undoubtedly bring up more problems than it solves in the long term.

Cheers

Squeezy

[voodooman]

The problem is most people are lazy and they always choose the cheapest alternative even when that alternative is junk.

the problem is most people are poor, and spend their waking hours working for someone else in hopes of becoming "not poor".

[Ainkor]

the problem is most people are poor, and spend their waking hours working for someone else in hopes of becoming "not poor".

It's actually worse than that. I buy only fresh foods now and cook or prepare 80% of everything myself. My monthly grocery cost went from about $400 a month to over $600 a month for a family of 4. BTW, that $400 a month was for 5. My daughter has recently moved out.

Processed junk calories are cheaper and I have quite a bit more free time compared to when I was busting my ass to get where I am today.

It may not be a conspiracy, but not all of the fault sits with poor fat people. Sure, they own quite a bit of it, but there is a definite cost prohibitive factor in eating well (at least shopping at the grocery stores). Of course one could argue that they could go to the farmers market but when you work two jobs to get by, that Saturday morning may be your only day to yourself to mentally decompress.

It's a vicious cycle.

[truthwolf1]

Oddly life expectancy and infant mortality trends disagree with that assertion. What is your basis for that statement? A verifiable statistic if you will please.

Ken

http://news.discovery.com/human/us-l...es-110615.html

38th sure is great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

34th sure is great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate