Got busted by undercover cop selling my snus :D Nazis & WW2 & Concentration Camp O MY

[Bigblue1]

I concur

[krahv]

Not interested looking through whole thread but this haunebau is not alien and UFO doesnt mean alien.

Just look up US B2 bombers, older ones look just like these. It said that B2 are copycated of these. I dont think germans got it flying though but might

Though i dont know that u guys talking about.

[f. bandersnatch]

Yeah, the plan clearly goes:
1. build space station.
2. convince tom from Kentucky that we have space station
3. Kill jews
4. party
There is of course room in there for some zombie creation and sexperiments on giant German milk maids, but overall I'd say its a pretty simple plan.

[Joe234]

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007(Shanty Town) - Desmond Dekker

[bipolarbear1968]

[sgreger1]

So upon further research, here is what i've found regarding Tom's claims. As always there is some bit of truth to the story.

Pretty much, upon the US overthrowing the Nazi's we took all of their tech. They were significantly advanced compared to us, inventing the first jets, the first V-2 (v-1 & v-10) rockets, night vision etc. What I can find proof of is that upon us stealing their secrets, we did in fact find schematics for a "ufo" of the variety Tom describes. It seems relitavely based on provable fact that they at least wanted to create them. There is, however, no evidence as to what the propulsion mechanism was or if they were ever built (let alone fielded). Likely it was a drive similar to that of the flying saucers (circular wing planes) the US and Canada were developing. So it seems plausable that they at least TRIED to build them. The pictures Tom's posted I can't see any reason to believe they are real, though they do look convincing. But as far as research on non conspiracy sites is concerned, they were drawing up plans to build them but may or may not have actually built any.

The US/Canada project which developed failures such as the "Avrocar" was scrapped. Canada decided the Helicopter was the best "airborn jeep" available at the time and went with that. The flying saucer project was sold to the US Air Force and continued for more than a decade after that. Not sure what, if anything, ever came of it, but they did seem to spend a lot of money on it.


Also, when we overthrew Germany, we took most of their good scientists here to help us. They were quite helpfull and led to our success in the space race as well as the toppling of the soviet union. It doens't seem out of the realm of possibility that whoever designed the schematics for the UFO's was taken over to America and put on projects here. Perhaps the scientists involved in the project in Germany were tasked with running the new US Ar Force venture we bought from the Canadians, or maybe we just used the design from the germans.


So it seems completely possible that whoever was working for the germans on their concept of the ciruclar wing flying sauces may have became employed by the US, where they would develope UFO's over here, which would explain why there are so many UFO sightings over known test facilities like Edweards airforce base (where I used to live).


This reinforces my theory that the flying saucer phenomena is likely a US aerospace project at this point and may just be part of an ongoing project for a stealth bomber type craft that has not been fielded or declassified for some reason. The US does like to keep an ace up it's sleeve so perhaps this is why they are keeping it secret. But it seems at least part of Tom's story is based on fact, in that the Nazi's did at least get to the conceptual/prototype stages of building a craft that looks like a UFO, though I don't see any evidence that one was ever built or operated successfully. That much will have to be left to the imagination.




As for bases on the moon, again it's literally impossible that it could have happened. Completely outside of the realm of possibility, and even after reading all of TOm's excelent links, there seems to be absolutely 0 evidence to support it. But it does seem the nazi's were the first to develope a craft that looks like what we call "flying saucers" today. This also explains why foo fighters were so common during WWII.


But, judging by the tens of thousands of sightings of UFO's on an annual basis, it seems the project is alive and well somewhere in the world. But, most likely, it is nothing particularly intiresting , rather just a black project like the SR-71 or the stealth that has thusfar not been declassified.

[tom502]

The issue I see here, is you(sgreg) want to believe the USA has these flying discs, but the 3rd Reich did not. Maybe, I don't have physical proof. But there is no proof these many UFOs are secret US craft either. If the 3rd Reich did have a secret saucer/space program, then why could it not have been kept secret? The USA has secret things too, that are secret. How do we know the remaining 3rd Reich did not go to Neuschabanland? How do we know the top secret saucer scientists didn't go there too, and the ones "we got" were not a part of that area of saucer developement. I am sure, or would strongly think, that NASA rocket designers, may not "automatically" be aware of the secret US aircraft being developed. So, in short, the USA may not have aquired the top secret saucer scientists(it doesn't seem like they did, to me). And there is no proof the USA is flying saucer UFOs around the world as some secret craft. So, they could be ET, they could be continuing 3rd Reich craft from another base(Earth, or elsewhere), or they could be secret US(maybe Russian?) craft. So where is the proof? And whatever we can gather as possible proof, to me, adds up the most that they are 3rd Reich craft.

[sgreger1]

The issue I see here, is you(sgreg) want to believe the USA has these flying discs, but the 3rd Reich did not. Maybe, I don't have physical proof. But there is no proof these many UFOs are secret US craft either. If the 3rd Reich did have a secret saucer/space program, then why could it not have been kept secret? The USA has secret things too, that are secret. How do we know the remaining 3rd Reich did not go to Neuschabanland? How do we know the top secret saucer scientists didn't go there too, and the ones "we got" were not a part of that area of saucer developement. I am sure, or would strongly think, that NASA rocket designers, may not "automatically" be aware of the secret US aircraft being developed. So, in short, the USA may not have aquired the top secret saucer scientists(it doesn't seem like they did, to me). And there is no proof the USA is flying saucer UFOs around the world as some secret craft. So, they could be ET, they could be continuing 3rd Reich craft from another base(Earth, or elsewhere), or they could be secret US(maybe Russian?) craft. So where is the proof? And whatever we can gather as possible proof, to me, adds up the most that they are 3rd Reich craft.

Well i'm not saying they didn't i'm just saying it's unlikely they ever had full scale working models ready to be fielded, for the simple reason that they never used them. A craft of that sort would have given them a significant advantage over Allied and Russia forces, but they instead didn't use them and lost the war. For me this is is either a) crappy planning and a complete lapse of judgement by the generals in charge of the war effort, as well as hitler himself, or b) these things were not built and ready for use, therefore they were never used. The later would suggest that if they were not fielded and ready for deployment they likely did not take anyone anywhere (Neuschuabanland or the moon) because if they were capable of flying to the moon or going to antarctica, they would have mounted a gun on it and sent it to shock-and-awe allied forces. The fact they never used one to me seems to point to the fact that they never had a good enough working model.

Sidenote: Tom, do you realize the incredible difference in technology required to have a bomber vs. a spaceship? Everything would have to be different. This is why we don't use space shuttles for military purposes, it's not what they are built to do. Germany, at the time being discussed, was focused solely on the war effort, therefore any technology they did come up with would have been to that end. They would have been making a bomber or military aircraft of some type rather than wasting resources trying to make a spaceship. I cannot stress enough the enormous difference between a high altitude military aircraft and that of a vessel capable of reaching other planets. Literally two different sciences and two completely different sets of parts needed for the job.


However, the facts I DO have on hand, is the fact that we siezed Germany's best and brightest scientists and engineers after Germany's defeat. We used them for secret projects as well as public ones. If this new aircraft type showed any promise, I would imagine we would have kept the same scientists in charge of the product, since that was our MO at the time. I mean we know we recovered schematics and we know we stole their scientists, so to me it makes the most sense. Couple that with the fact that the US is one of the few developed countries that has not disclosed their investigations on the ufo phenomena. France, England etc have been pretty upfront with it and they pretty much just say that something is happening but they don't know what, and furthermore it is of no threat to national security and therefore they don't care.

The US on the other hand stays secretive, and the majority of UFO sightings are in the US, and particularly in the vicinity of known prototype aircraft test facilities in California and the desert. So to me it sounds like we MUST have a working model if anyone does, since they are always spotted around our military bases doing what appears to be training or test flights alongside conventional aircraft.


Hitler was a staunch nationalist, if he had flying saucers he would have returned to Germany, yet he has not, nor have his alleged craft. There is no evidence to say he went to antarctica or the moon, but rather there is evidence that we stole their military secrets after the war. Considering that the US and Canada are pretty open about the fact that they were testing the circular wing "flying disc" style aircraft, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to imagine that many of the ones we see today are likely US or allied craft, as opposed to zombie hitler from mars.

Speaking of zombie hitler, the speeds the craft are capable of, as described in your websites, is something only a young man could tolerate (if that). The amount of thrust generated by such a machine, coupled with the trip in space and the radiation, would have killed a man as frial with sickness as hitler. He couldn't have riden in one of them. And furthermore, how is it that you lot believe that we didn't have the technology to go to the moon in 1969, yet believe hitler did prior to 1950? I always hear how we didn't have the necessary materials to shield the radiation of the Van Halen radiation belt etc, yet everyone accepts without question that the nazis routinely trafficked tens of thousands of personell and mining equipment to and from the moon. It just doesn't make sense, you can't have one without the other.




There is no evidence whatsoever that hitler was ever able to make a working model of the flying disk. The pictures from your site (quite impressive actually) are the only thing remotely resembling any real evidence of anything, and as we all know pictures lie. Another thing I DO know is that the alies did capture at least 1 "working" model of a disc shaped aircraft the nazis had been working on. It only housed I believe 1 occupant and couldn't get but a few feet off the ground. It was highly unstable and used much of the same failed technological and engineering concepts we tried using on our own. No antigravity or anything, just simple induction fans that provided a laughablly small amount of lift. If hitler had anti-gravity tech, why waste crappy tech on your flying saucers? Pretty much it looks like they built one (I have seen the videos on the history chanel) but it wasn't very usefull for anything, much like our attempts to construct one back in the states.


The germans poured much of their resources into military technology, and like I mentioned were the first to come up with V-2 rockets, night visions, and jet bombers. They used this new tech as soon as it was available. Given this trend, for them to have a hole-in-one magical flying disc and never use it seems kind of implausable. From what I can gather they were working on a flying disc of some type but they were defeated before ever making any working field models. As investigators and military personell stated at the time, if we had given germany a few more years they would have won the war because the aircraft they were developing were extraordinarilly beyond the technology availble to the allies at the time. (But luckily they were note able to perfect the aircraft in time and instead suffered a blistering defeat)

Putting all this together, I stand by my assumption that we stole the tech from the nazis who had not yet perfected it, and have likely been working on it ever since. There are tens of thousands of sightings a year, that cannot be discounted. Even if 99% are somehow crazy people, that still leaves a few thousand real sightings annually, which means someone is flying them around. Furthermore, the people witnessing these things are respected individuals, from amyors, to presidents, to generals and aerospace engineers. SOMETHING is flying around, it's just a question of who it belongs to.
Since ufo's never attack anything and mainly just travel around, and are spotted routinely near military bases, I must assume that it is an early model test aircraft of some sort that we either have not finished or have no made public yet. Just like we flew around the stealth for a decade before making it known to the public.

I think most of the UFO phenomena boils down to test aircraft for the most part.

[tom502]

All the UFO footage and sightings, I just don't think they are secret US craft. Now, some might be, maybe the large triangle ones, but the fast saucer craft, I don't think so. I would also think the Germans would have had a plan of escape, and not just allow themselves to be caught. And the secret saucer scientists worhing with the Vril and Thule, were not the standard scientists making the V2's and jets, which we did get. There are names of the saucer scientists listed, and I don't think we got them. And the Neuschwabenland base makes sense to me. The US even sent a war mission there, and did not come back victorious. And while I don't think their saucer fleet was big enough, or armed enough for war scenario, the many reports of allied planes fighting them, tell me, some where used, but these craft were not built with the intention for war, or they were not then, when they could have been needed and used the most. So, yes, Germany did make many tactical errors. There tactical errors is why they "lost". I don't think "they" lost though, they just quit and moved. yes, the country lost, but their existence was more than just a piece of land. I also think the NS saucers had the aid and association of ETs, which I do not see in the US efforts.
My view on the moon landing is unsure. I do believe the official footage is faked. I also read somewhere and think it's possible, we actually went to the moon, the USA, but earlier, and from a different launch area, with the official show, being just that, a show. And the Moon was already occupied. There are reports of the Astronauts encountering other craft, and structures there, and this seems very plausible to me. It's also said, the reason we have never gone back, is we were "told" not to.

[Roo]

I can't believe I keep looking at this thread.

But since it is so popular and never strays too far from the top, let me take the opportunity to advise anyone who donated snus for the troops to keep your eyes peeled for an update today in that thread once I get to my office and get settled in. Blink, and you'll miss it.

[Tobakssmak]

I can't believe I keep looking at this thread.

That's so funny. Just before seeing your post, I was thinking *exactly* the same thing. Now if I can just resist next time...

[tom502]

You can't resist, it's the power of the VRIL!

[sgreger1]

All the UFO footage and sightings, I just don't think they are secret US craft. Now, some might be, maybe the large triangle ones, but the fast saucer craft, I don't think so. I would also think the Germans would have had a plan of escape, and not just allow themselves to be caught. And the secret saucer scientists worhing with the Vril and Thule, were not the standard scientists making the V2's and jets, which we did get. There are names of the saucer scientists listed, and I don't think we got them. And the Neuschwabenland base makes sense to me. The US even sent a war mission there, and did not come back victorious. And while I don't think their saucer fleet was big enough, or armed enough for war scenario, the many reports of allied planes fighting them, tell me, some where used, but these craft were not built with the intention for war, or they were not then, when they could have been needed and used the most. So, yes, Germany did make many tactical errors. There tactical errors is why they "lost". I don't think "they" lost though, they just quit and moved. yes, the country lost, but their existence was more than just a piece of land. I also think the NS saucers had the aid and association of ETs, which I do not see in the US efforts.
My view on the moon landing is unsure. I do believe the official footage is faked. I also read somewhere and think it's possible, we actually went to the moon, the USA, but earlier, and from a different launch area, with the official show, being just that, a show. And the Moon was already occupied. There are reports of the Astronauts encountering other craft, and structures there, and this seems very plausible to me. It's also said, the reason we have never gone back, is we were "told" not to.

1) Tom, for aliens to travel here from a distant universe would mean that they are significantly advanced relitive to humans. I mean extremely advanced. So if in fact aliens did exist and came here to help hitler, I imagine he would have won. I mean what help did they give him tom? He didn't have anything too fancy, just stronger armor and better engines. They invented the first (very crappy) version of night vision goggles, but that's about it. If an alien force, capable of traversing the universe came here to help someone win a war, I imagine they would have supplied them with something of value. So I highly doubt aliens helped hitler, and if they did, they obviously didn't want him to win because they didn't give him anything of value.


2) Tom, America did not go fight a battle with nazis in Antarctica and lose. The US did however set up and maintain several outposts there around 1955 for science purposes. They even built a small scale nuclear reactor there for power at one point but they shut it down a long time ago. Nowadays the old WWII posts are science facilities composed of entire towns of people. You can even go visit them if you are a scientist. So nothing spooky going on over there. We have a bunch of science teems and observation posts out there but that's it. The US never got kicked out of antarctica by nazis.



Do you not see that the facts are not in favor of your theory here? We have sattelite images now, we know that the nazis do not exists in antarctica. Why would they escape? Hitler wa a fight till the end type. Escaping would have done nothing and they would all be long dead by now anyways. You are aware that in Hitler's health condition he would not have made it for long out there, with no hispitals on site.
And aliens didn't help them because if they did they wouldn't have lost. If aliens helped them they would have given them something to show for it, but the nazis had no futuristic technology to speak of, no spaceships, laser guns, nothing. They were just using rifles like the rest of us.

[tom502]

I don't know, but there is something magickal about it all.

[snusgetter]

~

I still want to know what's happenin' with krahv, the papa of this thread...

Was he convicted of dealing in contraband snus?
Did he go to town jail or to the big house?
If so, is he out yet and living the life of an outstanding citizen?
Will he run for political office?
Or will he just run?

LET NOT THE WORLD FORGET THE SUFFERINGS OF KRAHV!!