Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Unemployment Benefits-Welfare Recipients

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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #31
    Originally posted by Joe234 View Post
    All Drug Testing is Bullshit!

    I say bring it on Hatch. I'd like to see the mess with medical marijuana users
    when they test positive while the Feds don't recognize medical marijuana.
    Let the lawsuits begin! More time wasted and cash for Shysters.

    This nation is a joke of hypocrisy. I like how you want to test everyone but
    yourself on unemployment.

    All Drug Testing is Bullshit! Unconstitutional fascism.

    I'd join a new Weather Underground to stop it by any means necessary.

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    Joe, not sure how old you are, but I am sure you are older than me. Therefore I am not sure why you would think all drug testing is bullshit. A) If a private company owner wants to employ only people of sound mind who are not under the influence than he should be able to. B) If the army is to have a good fighting force, they can't have everyone smoking crack and shooting heroin, therefore they drug test. C) If you are asking other citizens for free money that is stolen from them in the first place, you should be subject to drug tests. This acts as a deterent and helps restore out broken nanny state policies where everyone lives off the government.



    Unemployment is totally different in that you paid into it, and it means you were recently employed.


    But if there is 1 demographic that MUST be required to have a drug test, it's policymakers and any elected officials/czars etc etc. We cannot have people making nation-changing decisions that are on drugs. Congress must pee in that cup before they tell me to.




    Disclaimer: When i say drugs, I am not talking about weed. That needs to be made legal before any drug testing of any kind happens because weed is not a drug anymore than alcohol or cigs. Also, like you ponted out Joe, we have conflicting state/federal laws and it would just cost a lot of uneccessary money to hash it out in court.

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    • shikitohno
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      • Jul 2009
      • 1156

      #32
      Originally posted by Joe234 View Post
      This is absurd!

      I just heard on TV today that one state tried testing over 300 welfare
      recipients. They result was that some 20 people tested positive for
      illegal substances and that of those all but 3 were for marijuana.

      The person on TV said this would only catch pot smokers as the
      hard drug users can flush the drugs out of their system in 3-4 days.

      I say test Orrin Hatch for Caffeine. ( Mormon)
      Joe, most hard drugs build up in your system with extended use. Coke and heroin are gone in a couple days if you do it once. Your average cokehead will test positive for several days longer since they do it more. Same with weed. Drug testing for jobs or benefits is perfectly fine. Companies don't have to hire drug users if they don't want to. If they do random tests and you do drugs, don't work there. If they test once at the start, stop smoking for a few weeks while you're looking for a job. It's what I do. I've done drugs, and I continue to do them. But, I stick to things that show no tendency for long-term addiction (ie, psychedelics and cannabis), so when more important things come up in my life like getting a new job or paying bills, it's relatively easy to stop for a while and take care of what I need to take care of. I'm not Nancy Reagan here, but nobody forces you to blow that first line. You get hooked on coke or skag, it's your own fault. I don't get free drugs, and I'm not about to subsidize your habit when you're living off my money. I don't see how this amounts to fascism.

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      • PassedPawn
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        • Dec 2008
        • 319

        #33
        Can they trace Cannabis in hair? A friend of mine who worked at Deutsche Bank said they tested his hair for drugs when they hired him.

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        • RobsanX
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          • Aug 2008
          • 2030

          #34
          Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
          Really no one else will say it?



          Okay. This is dumb because we pay into unemployment. It means you have been employed and is based off your previous salary.
          Exactly. Does the government drug test the people who pay into the unemployment system?

          No.

          So why should they be drug tested when they collect?

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          • shikitohno
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            • Jul 2009
            • 1156

            #35
            Originally posted by PassedPawn View Post
            Can they trace Cannabis in hair? A friend of mine who worked at Deutsche Bank said they tested his hair for drugs when they hired him.
            Yes, drug use can be detected in hair tests, including cannabis as far as I know. Of course, the easy option here is to buzz your hair pretty low a month before they test you if you know it's coming.

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            • sgreger1
              Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #36
              Originally posted by shikitohno View Post
              Joe, most hard drugs build up in your system with extended use. Coke and heroin are gone in a couple days if you do it once. Your average cokehead will test positive for several days longer since they do it more. Same with weed. Drug testing for jobs or benefits is perfectly fine. Companies don't have to hire drug users if they don't want to. If they do random tests and you do drugs, don't work there. If they test once at the start, stop smoking for a few weeks while you're looking for a job. It's what I do. I've done drugs, and I continue to do them. But, I stick to things that show no tendency for long-term addiction (ie, psychedelics and cannabis), so when more important things come up in my life like getting a new job or paying bills, it's relatively easy to stop for a while and take care of what I need to take care of. I'm not Nancy Reagan here, but nobody forces you to blow that first line. You get hooked on coke or skag, it's your own fault. I don't get free drugs, and I'm not about to subsidize your habit when you're living off my money. I don't see how this amounts to fascism.



              Fascism, lol, I bet when your boss asks you to work or when you mom asks you to take out the garbage from your underground basement dungeon it's fascism too. lol. You are so right Shiki, I dont care if people do drugs, but I don't call foul on companies who want to hire employees not smoking crack.

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              • timholian
                Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 1448

                #37
                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                Fascism, lol, I bet when your boss asks you to work or when you mom asks you to take out the garbage from your underground basement dungeon it's fascism too. lol. You are so right Shiki, I dont care if people do drugs, but I don't call foul on companies who want to hire employees not smoking crack.
                All I'll say is that its a slippery slope.... I don't care what private companies do but for the government to test its citizens....

                So, where is the line? Whats to say when you go for a passport at some point in the future you won't have to give a urine and DNA sample? Huge leap I know but most things the government does is supposed to be one way only to turn out to be another.

                Its not that this effects me in anyway.... I could never ask for money from the government for nothing.

                Its not that I don't see the fugged up part of giving addicts money for drugs.... I just don't think it is necessary, there are many other things you can do to rein in welfare.

                EDIT: Nicotine and Alcohol are both addictive and unnecessary, should they not test for that? What about diet? Being fat is a luxury right? Someone say full physical?

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                • Joe234
                  Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1948

                  #38
                  Coke and heroin do not stay in your system for more than a few days.
                  Go to Redwood labs website and find out.

                  I don't care if they are private companies. It's the same as the civil rights law.

                  I say test for snus and alcohol if you do with other drugs.
                  How much of your tax dollars are spent on tobacco and
                  alcohol?

                  Next test for fast food and soda pop. We wouldn't want tax dollars
                  spent on this.

                  Then we can forbid all welfare and unemployment recipients from playing lotteries.

                  The big pharmaceutical companies love drug testing in order to have you take
                  their TV pushed dope. Have you ever looked at who funds The Parthnershit for
                  a Non Free Amerika? It used to be drug, alcohol and tobacco compnaies among
                  other big food cos.

                  I'd rather live in a society free of testing people's habits and behaviors.

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                  • wadetheblade
                    Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 572

                    #39
                    When all you guys keep talking about welfare, I am curious as to what extent you mean? I have never heard of anyone in section 8 receiving checks of cash, I know for a fact they get housing credits in the projects or whatever you want to call them, and they get food stamps which can't be spent on alcohol or tobacco. Are there actual cash checks people can cash for money not credit?

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                    • timholian
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                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1448

                      #40
                      Originally posted by wadetheblade View Post
                      When all you guys keep talking about welfare, I am curious as to what extent you mean? I have never heard of anyone in section 8 receiving checks of cash, I know for a fact they get housing credits in the projects or whatever you want to call them, and they get food stamps which can't be spent on alcohol or tobacco. Are there actual cash checks people can cash for money not credit?
                      Good point... In Texas they have the Lone Star Card for food stamps.... I am not sure about housing.

                      So, yeah...

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                      • sgreger1
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                        • Mar 2009
                        • 9451

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Joe234 View Post
                        Coke and heroin do not stay in your system for more than a few days.
                        Go to Redwood labs website and find out.

                        I don't care if they are private companies. It's the same as the civil rights law.

                        I say test for snus and alcohol if you do with other drugs.
                        How much of your tax dollars are spent on tobacco and
                        alcohol?

                        Next test for fast food and soda pop. We wouldn't want tax dollars
                        spent on this.

                        Then we can forbid all welfare and unemployment recipients from playing lotteries.

                        The big pharmaceutical companies love drug testing in order to have you take
                        their TV pushed dope. Have you ever looked at who funds The Parthnershit for
                        a Non Free Amerika? It used to be drug, alcohol and tobacco compnaies among
                        other big food cos.

                        I'd rather live in a society free of testing people's habits and behaviors.


                        Joe, coke stays in your system for a long time if you are a regular user. It is normally onl 1-3 days but if you are a consistent user it can last up to 19 days. I don't care what nonesense you spew, because I have tested positive for coke after that period of time, so I know it's real. There are many places on the web that will also confirm that.


                        Of course you don't care if they are private companies because you are an anti-libertarian. you don't believe in any individual rights or the rights of businesses to partake in the free market.

                        Why would they test for snus or alcohol, those are legal. The fact you are putting crack heroin and meth in the same field as snus shows me just how out of touch with reality you are. We obviousely can't force them to not use our tax money on things that are legal. And at least if they buy legal things it stays in our economy, unlike when you buy drugs from mexico.



                        The point is, you don't know anything about america, what it stands for, or where it came from. Businesses are private entities that may choose who they want to employ. There are protected classes of people, which means you cant discriminate based on race, sex, religion etc. However, crackhead is not a protected class at this time.

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                        • Joe234
                          Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 1948

                          #42
                          Originally posted by timholian View Post
                          Good point... In Texas they have the Lone Star Card for food stamps.... I am not sure about housing.

                          So, yeah...
                          Right. And some people trade their food from the card 2-1 for drugs and alcohol.
                          They simply give someone the card and PIN number.

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                          • sgreger1
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                            • Mar 2009
                            • 9451

                            #43
                            Originally posted by wadetheblade View Post
                            When all you guys keep talking about welfare, I am curious as to what extent you mean? I have never heard of anyone in section 8 receiving checks of cash, I know for a fact they get housing credits in the projects or whatever you want to call them, and they get food stamps which can't be spent on alcohol or tobacco. Are there actual cash checks people can cash for money not credit?


                            Yes, there are places that give debit cards that are like cash. The credits/food stamps etc etc are only SUPPOSED to be used for food etc, but there are many ways of laundering those things to get cash.


                            Example: You can legally buy housing with welfare check. In the ghetto, the owner of a cheap hotel allows people to spend their entire check at his hotel (considered housing), he takes a cut, then gives them the remainder in cash. They never stay at the hotel, it's just a way of them spending it on "housing", when really the guy just takes part of the cash and gives the rest to them in dollars bills. Like a ghetto check cashing store almost.


                            There area thousand ways to turn welfare money into drug money. My brother in law does this, he gets so much money from the gov. First he gets welfare, spends it on drugs, then after years of doing that, he is crazy so he gets more SSI money for being handicapped, then he spends that one drugs, then he tells the welfare office his mom started charging him rent to live with her, so they increase his check another 200$ etc. It's a scam.

                            Trust me, the people down in the ghetto are not working hard at a 9 to 5 to pay for their crack and liquor, I guarantee it.

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                            • wadetheblade
                              Member
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 572

                              #44
                              I am not taking up for drug users who "steal money" and sgregor you are smart (I have read thousands of your posts), I don't agree with you on a lot of stuff, but Plenty of people in the ghetto work hard for liquor every day. Everyone is not dishonest just because they are poor and uneducated or addicted to drugs. Believe it.

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                              • sgreger1
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                                • Mar 2009
                                • 9451

                                #45
                                Originally posted by wadetheblade View Post
                                I am not taking up for drug users who "steal money" and sgregor you are smart (I have read thousands of your posts), I don't agree with you on a lot of stuff, but Plenty of people in the ghetto work hard for liquor every day. Everyone is not dishonest just because they are poor and uneducated or addicted to drugs. Believe it.


                                I don't mean to imply that no one works in the ghetto, obviously this is not the case. But the majority of people working are not on welfare, therefore we are only discussing those who are not working, and therefore on welfare. I don't care what someone does with the fruit of their labors, at all. I have spent thousands of dollars on drugs. It was my money, so who cares. If however I am living off my neighbors, or the church is donating me money to survive with my children, I should be held to some standard and not be able to spend it all on crack.


                                Wade, i'm only talking about people on welfare. To be on welfare you have to be broke to the point where your not even working a minimum wage job (at least in my state, CA). I have lived around this my whole life and I know it front to back, I know the scam these people pull and I know how they steal taxpayer money and spend it on crack I know it a thousand times over and over and over.


                                I in no way mean to imply that anyone who is poor or uneducated is dishonest, at all. My dad was on welfare for a time. It was a few months and he got back on his feet and got a job and he's back to normal again. THAT is what welfare was meant for. So no one starves when they are going through some rough times. We are a rich nation and should help out those still struggling. However, if you are taking our tax dollars and trading it for cocaine from mexico, than that is an obvious expense we need to curtail if we are to get out of our economic situation.

                                Don't you guys get it? The nation is broke, it's time to change how we do things. All of you advocating more of the same are part of the problem.

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