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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
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    #61
    Originally posted by truthwolf1 View Post
    New York Times
    June 19, 1982
    Search for The 10th Planet

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    A pair of American spacecraft may help scientists detect what could be a 10th planet or a giant object billions of miles away, the national Aeronautics and Space Administration said Thursday. Scientists at the space agency's Ames Research Center said the two spacecraft, Pioneer 10 and 11, which are already farther into space than any other man-made object, might add to knowledge of a mysterious object believed to be beyond the solar system's outermost known planets. The space agency said that persistent irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune "suggest some kind of mystery object is really there" with its distance depending on what it is. If the mystery object is a new planet, it may lie five billion miles beyond the outer orbital ring of known planets, the space agency said. If it is a dark star type of objet, it may be 50 billion miles beyond the known planets; if it is a black hole, 100 billion miles. A black hole is a hypothetical body in space, believed to be a collapsed star so condensed that neither light nor matter can escape from its gravitational field.


    New York Times, 30-January-1983,


    Yes this has been going on since the early 200'0s at least. The mathemiticians have decided the there is something of relitavely large size out there at some distance that is affecting the pull on our outer plantes. Recently our (I believe it was pioneer) satelite we sent out to the distant reaches of the solar system has been getting tugged by something that scientists can't account for as well.

    This has led to a belief that there is something very big out there very far away that is in som way causing a minor pull on some of the planetary bodies that lie within our solar system.

    This however, does not mean planet x. As stated in the article, they know something is pulling, but they don't know what. If a black hole exists faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away, it may still have some residual gravitational pull on some of our outer planets. It could be a smaller, less massive object that is closer, which would have similar effects.

    However, most scientists have ruled out it being an actual planet, because again if it were that close and of that size it would be easy to detect. It is more likely that the minor gravitational tugg we see being exerted on our solar system is likely a very massive object (like a black hole) that is very very far away, who's gravitational pull mildly interacts witht he celestial bodies in our solar system.


    One thing we all know for sure is that it has not moved in an significant way, and that it would be physically impossible for it to reach us in 2012. In fact there is not even 1 single shred of evidence that it's orbit is in any way tied with out system or that it would pass through at any time in the future. They just kow something big is sitting out there. Unless this thing has a war drive strapped on it's ass, it could not possibly reach us in the next 3 years (or any time in the near future for that matter).


    I'd like to remind you that this all started out of people putting to much stock into the sumerian cosmology model, which is described as follows:

    The Sumerians envisioned the universe as a closed dome surrounded by a primordial saltwater sea.[5] Underneath the terrestrial earth, which formed the base of the dome, existed an underworld and a freshwater ocean called the Apsu. The god of the dome-shaped firmament was named An; the earth was named Ki. The underground world was first believed to be an extension of Ki, but later developed into the concept of Kigal. The primordial saltwater sea was named Nammu, which became known as Tiamat during and after the Sumerian Renaissance.

    According to Sumerian mythology, the gods originally created humans as servants for themselves but freed them when they became too much to handle.[6]

    The primordial union of An and Ki produced Enlil, who became leader of the Sumerian pantheon. After the other gods banished Enlil from Dilmun (the “home of the gods”) for raping Ninlil, Ninlil had a child: Nanna, god of the moon. Nanna and Ningal gave birth to Inanna and to Utu, god of the sun.[7]


    Since the 1800s our scientists have been playing the planet x game, and so far it has turned out to be neptune, and then pluto shortly thenafter. Our ways of detecting things with math has been pretty accurate for quite some time and we can tell what is out there to a pretty far distance. There is no scientist, however, that believes there is a mysterious brown dwarf filled with alien life that passes through our solar system once every x nmber of years, as there is no factual basis for that claim.

    En route to earth through our solar system it would encounter all sorts of debri and large planetary bodies that would collide with it. Try passing a planet through the asteroid belt every few thousands years and see what it looks like after a while, it's just not realistic.

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    • tom502
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      • Feb 2009
      • 8985

      #62
      It's coming!

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      • sgreger1
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        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #63
        Fear not! The savior has returned!

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        • Darwin
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          • Mar 2010
          • 1372

          #64
          [QUOTE=sgreger1;Try passing a planet through the asteroid belt every few thousands years and see what it looks like after a while, it's just not realistic.[/QUOTE]

          Not that I believe the brown dwarf nonsense for a millisecond but a smaller body that orbited severely tilted to the plane of the ecliptic might sneak through without much chance of collision but the orbital placement would have to be very precise and would likely cause other perturbations when it did. No way could a brown dwarf sneak through anything though--way too massive--ten times more massive than Jupiter at a minimum although not actually any larger.

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          • sgreger1
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            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #65
            Originally posted by Darwin View Post
            Not that I believe the brown dwarf nonsense for a millisecond but a smaller body that orbited severely tilted to the plane of the ecliptic might sneak through without much chance of collision but the orbital placement would have to be very precise and would likely cause other perturbations when it did. No way could a brown dwarf sneak through anything though--way too massive--ten times more massive than Jupiter at a minimum although not actually any larger.

            Thats what I mean, if it did this every 3 thousand years (or 20k years depending on what conspiracy site you read), it would have had to have happened litterally thousands of times if not millions. The odds of it not hitting something are extremely low. I just think something that massive would be easy to detect if it was something in a similar orbit as ours. Even if something existed, it would be something normal and not some "galactic alignment" or anything like that.

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            • Darwin
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              • Mar 2010
              • 1372

              #66
              Yeah galactic alignments are hooey in addition to planetary alignments. The planets perturb the earth's orbit, a bit, but they are far enough away that there are no tidal effects. In udder woids if every planet lined up in a nice neat row the earth's orbit might vary a tiny bit but the gravitational change from one side of the earth to the other would be unmeasurable. Calculable maybe if your calculator has enough decimal places but measurable or affective? Not a chance. The tidal effects of our moon are many orders of magnitude greater than the other planets and due to its closeness even greater than the sun. The solar system as a whole orbits the galactic center of mass but tidal effects from that mass are nonexistent.

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              • tom502
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                • Feb 2009
                • 8985

                #67
                Well, I think this could be true. And it seems in the ancient past, certain big calamities have occured, which seems to have greatly altered the planet, and often just ceased many ancient civilizations, to where we don't even know what happened. And look at the Piere Reise map that shows the antarctic without snow, and then they found tropical plants frozen under the arctic. Was it a crust shift of the planet, or maybe something like Planet X? And also I read that maybe our current Earth is really from half of another body, as all the continents fit together, and was half a planet. Not sure how this would work, but if it wasn't half a planet, then how did it happen anyway? Was it one land blob on a planet of water, and then it all broke up? Did it break up? Maybe the Earth was smaller and solid and just expanded breaking up as it did and the liquid formed around the cracks, becomeing oceans?

                Ah, I wish I had a crystal ball.

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                • sgreger1
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                  • Mar 2009
                  • 9451

                  #68
                  Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                  Well, I think this could be true. And it seems in the ancient past, certain big calamities have occured, which seems to have greatly altered the planet, and often just ceased many ancient civilizations, to where we don't even know what happened. And look at the Piere Reise map that shows the antarctic without snow, and then they found tropical plants frozen under the arctic. Was it a crust shift of the planet, or maybe something like Planet X? And also I read that maybe our current Earth is really from half of another body, as all the continents fit together, and was half a planet. Not sure how this would work, but if it wasn't half a planet, then how did it happen anyway? Was it one land blob on a planet of water, and then it all broke up? Did it break up? Maybe the Earth was smaller and solid and just expanded breaking up as it did and the liquid formed around the cracks, becomeing oceans?

                  Ah, I wish I had a crystal ball.


                  Lol, Tom, google "Pangea". It will explain everything. Then google "continental drift".

                  For the arctic situation, google: Glacial Period. The earth has warmed and cooled many times and the atmosphere is constantly changing. Most of earth history it was pretty cold, we are just lucky to be living in a warmer time. I hope to God global warming is true and that we are making it hotter, I would hate to live during an ice age. Anyone who likes going to the beach should go outside right now and spray a can of aerosol right into the air.

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                  • danielan
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                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1514

                    #69
                    Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                    I would hate to live during an ice age.
                    Yum - Woolly Mammoth steaks...

                    Really cool ice caves for everyone...

                    Ice bridge to Europe...

                    It might have its perks.

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