July 4, 2010

[wa3zrm]

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[justintempler]

http://www.beyondtead.com/

All I see is a bunch of whine and no solutions.

I did check out the links on the Oklahoma page and I see the lunatic fringe is well represented.

"There is talk circulating in parts of Oklahoma’s tea party community about forming a volunteer militia to fend off further intrusions by the federal government. " :roll:

[Ainkor]

I wish I could find the article that I read about 6 months ago, but here goes a quick overview:

Republicans while in the Whitehouse increase spending and then when they get voted out, the rank and file Republicans scream bloody murder about deficit spending to paint the Democrats as tax and spend liberals. They get the Democrats voted out and then increase deficit spending.



Of course that chart doesn't show the current spending, but ownership of the current deficit does not lie squarely on Obama's shoulders. If you can't agree with this, then don't even bother replying to me.

The bottom line of all of it is that EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN VOTED INTO OFFICE HAS AN AGENDA, and it usually has nothing to do with we the people.

It doesn't matter if it's left wing, right wing, middle of the road, it has to do with the fact that above all, we are a Corprocracy.

Now, what concerns me about that video? The very same thing that concerns me about the current right wing lunatics (Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck) along with the stirring of the pot that has undertones of an imminent revolution or dramatic civil unrest. We solve things as a country through elections and that is not what is being offered up.

Show me a positive, productive solution and I'll listen to either side. Try to inflame the ignorant masses and I will keep blowing both sides off as fringe lunatics.

[sgreger1]

Lol, Ainkor, wait till that chart is amended to show the current spending, there's gonna be a whole lot of blue on that chart, and to view it we'll have to buy a forklift like Al Gore did for his hockey stick graph lol.

But your completely right, the republicans wasted our cash endlessly for years and then the minute they get out they try to act like they've always been the party of small government. A government is never bigger than one that is under republican rule (until recently anyways).

This is why I hate both sides right now, I truly want fiscal conservatism but neither side is willing to oblige my request. The thing is that our policies in general could never lead to LESS spending, and the people we entrust with the public checkbook are all a bunch of rich lawyers who love to spend like a coke whore who just won the lottery.


I bash Obama but I equally disliked Bush. My thing is what Tom always says, in that at least with Bush you knew damn well what you were getting, but Obama likes to talk circles around the fact that he isn't doing anything different. He trash talks insurance companies and banks and big corporations, and then turns around and gives them more than any previous president ever has. Dem or republican, we are in fact consistently led by corporatists.

[snusjus]

George W. Bush arrogantly ignored people like me who protested against the invasion of Iraq, while he sat in the White House sending my family members to die for distorted facts, while at the same time, spending $3 trillion for the invasion. Republicans and Democrats are both equally guilty for ignoring public opinion and throwing our money at agendas for the interests of their political party and corporate cronies.

[wadetheblade]

papyrus = fail

[sgreger1]

George W. Bush arrogantly ignored people like me who protested against the invasion of Iraq, while he sat in the White House sending my family members to die for distorted facts, while at the same time, spending $3 trillion for the invasion. Republicans and Democrats are both equally guilty for ignoring public opinion and throwing our money at agendas for the interests of their political party and corporate cronies.

Yah and now Obama has taken over the job of arrogantly ignoring people, and he is even more arrogant about it, he actually doubled the amount of troops deployed and then tells you with a smile that he is bringing hope and change to government. Bush was a criminal, but Obama is a criminal posing as a saint, and people actually are buying it is the sad part.

After a few more years with the highest death levels overseas, people will start waking up to the fact we need to change leadership for a third party. Until then we are stuck with yet another war president.

[snusjus]

George W. Bush arrogantly ignored people like me who protested against the invasion of Iraq, while he sat in the White House sending my family members to die for distorted facts, while at the same time, spending $3 trillion for the invasion. Republicans and Democrats are both equally guilty for ignoring public opinion and throwing our money at agendas for the interests of their political party and corporate cronies.

Yah and now Obama has taken over the job of arrogantly ignoring people, and he is even more arrogant about it, he actually doubled the amount of troops deployed and then tells you with a smile that he is bringing hope and change to government. Bush was a criminal, but Obama is a criminal posing as a saint, and people actually are buying it is the sad part.

After a few more years with the highest death levels overseas, people will start waking up to the fact we need to change leadership for a third party. Until then we are stuck with yet another war president.

I couldn't agree more. I will never vote for a Republican or Democrat ever again. Here's a pretty cool spoken word session from Jello Biafra:
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[truthwolf1]

I like the Tea Party idea and would like to think I was part of the begining of it but it has strayed from that time.

This aligning with certain candidates like the Brown story is B.S. in my book. They need to start grooming some serious candidates and also take back the people that created them in the first place.

[sgreger1]

Yah I went to several tea party rallies back before it got big and was all about it. Nowadays it's become too corporate. As soon as they started paying Sarah Palin to speak for them I decided to cut my ties.

Here's a good article about the tax day protests from a liberal that I feel was pretty fair and represented for the most part what I saw when I went.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041702652.html

I went to the "tea party" rally at the Washington Monument on Thursday to check out just how reactionary and potentially violent the movement truly was.

Answer: Not very.

Nevertheless, on the whole, they struck me as passionate conservatives dedicated to working within the system rather than dangerous militia types or a revival of the Ku Klux Klan.

"Someone said in the Revolutionary War, they fired bullets. This time, we're firing politicians"

[truthwolf1]

Wow, I never heard of privatize the U.S. Postal Service before this.

Some participants had far-out views. I heard proposals to repeal the progressive income tax, abolish the Federal Reserve Board and privatize the U.S. Postal Service.

[justintempler]

Hrre's a video from the Washington DC tax day protest.

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[truthwolf1]

Maybe one or two clicks above the earlier Obama rally interviews.

They have been overidden by the NEOCON's and their sympathizers. It is brilliant how the media can keep the one party system going and going and going.

[wa3zrm]

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning last November's Presidential election:

* Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
* Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
* Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
* Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

[texasmade]

RON PAUL THAT IS ALL!!