No, no we can't, apparently.

[sgreger1]

Obama Wants Record $708B for Wars

I think it is time for a draft. Anybody from 18-48 and especially if you are unemployed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...+Politics%2529

Nothing kills any sympathy for the war effort like a draft. Drafting is such a terrible idea though when actually trying to win a war, it's hard to force people to do something they don't want to.

[Roo]

Maybe I can trade Judge for his shirt that reads "I troll forums trying to pretend to be a communist, but instead all I am is a rich kid in San Francisco"

I know I'm the only one who sticks up for this guy but I'll say two things for the hell of it: I don't thing Faust trolls at all, I think he presents his points pretentiously and contempt is his favorite emotion. Yeah, he tries to get a rise alright, but if that's trolling than you're as guilty as he. And I highly doubt that he's a "rich kid" pretending to be a proponent of his views. All of the immigrants from Russia or a former Soviet republic I know are not overly-privileged -- they bust ass and earn their keep, and send whatever money home that they can. I don't know the guy either, and I admit I'm simply making the opposite assumption that you are. I just feel like sticking up for Faust this time, although I've given him plenty of my own shit in the past. The reason you think he's faking it might be because you've never met someone who grew up in the USSR. Just a guess, maybe you know many. They run the gamut from thoroughly disgruntled to pure Faust, as red as the day is long.

[texasmade]

Maybe I can trade Judge for his shirt that reads "I troll forums trying to pretend to be a communist, but instead all I am is a rich kid in San Francisco"

I know I'm the only one who sticks up for this guy but I'll say two things for the hell of it: I don't thing Faust trolls at all, I think he presents his points pretentiously and contempt is his favorite emotion. Yeah, he tries to get a rise alright, but if that's trolling than you're as guilty as he. And I highly doubt that he's a "rich kid" pretending to be a proponent of his views. All of the immigrants from Russia or a former Soviet republic I know are not overly-privileged -- they bust ass and earn their keep, and send whatever money home that they can. I don't know the guy either, and I admit I'm simply making the opposite assumption that you are. I just feel like sticking up for Faust this time, although I've given him plenty of my own shit in the past. The reason you think he's faking it might be because you've never met someone who grew up in the USSR. Just a guess, maybe you know many. They run the gamut from thoroughly disgruntled to pure Faust, as red as the day is long.

^ this

[sgreger1]

Maybe I can trade Judge for his shirt that reads "I troll forums trying to pretend to be a communist, but instead all I am is a rich kid in San Francisco"

I know I'm the only one who sticks up for this guy but I'll say two things for the hell of it: I don't thing Faust trolls at all, I think he presents his points pretentiously and contempt is his favorite emotion. Yeah, he tries to get a rise alright, but if that's trolling than you're as guilty as he. And I highly doubt that he's a "rich kid" pretending to be a proponent of his views. All of the immigrants from Russia or a former Soviet republic I know are not overly-privileged -- they bust ass and earn their keep, and send whatever money home that they can. I don't know the guy either, and I admit I'm simply making the opposite assumption that you are. I just feel like sticking up for Faust this time, although I've given him plenty of my own shit in the past. The reason you think he's faking it might be because you've never met someone who grew up in the USSR. Just a guess, maybe you know many. They run the gamut from thoroughly disgruntled to pure Faust, as red as the day is long.

I have several friends from the ex soviet union, all of which fled here to escape it, and they sing nothing but praise for America. They are all in their late 40's-50's so they lived through the whole thing. The fact he hates it here so much, yet lives in one of the most expensive places to live in the world (San Francisco) tells me what I need to know. I know immigrants bust their ass, I am married to someone who was born in the Philippines and was raised wearing clothes stitched together from other fabrics. I am not challenging his work ethic.

He gets on his computer and talks about how evil and fascist America is, and how the imperialists are oppressing him, and then goes on to talk about how compassionate and better the USSR was etc. I love to get a rise out of everyone just like him, that's not why he's a troll, it's because he only comes here only to cause conflict and never talks about anything else. He praises the killing of Americans and hails terrorist attacks as a step in the right direction.

All of you love to talk about how much greater DPRK and communist russia would be than America, and tend to forget how easy we all really have it here (do to the fact that we are not communist Russia, N Korea, Nazi Germany etc).

So he is one of the two:
Troll
Delusional

Take your pick.


Edit: I do leave room for the fact that I could be wrong, but you must understand that where I live, there is literally nothing but rich kids (or at least upper middle class) who walk around the campus singing the praises of communism or socialism and how we are the imperial threat to the world and how if we could only adopt what Russia had in the past we would all be living in a workers paradise. So perhaps I am wrong, but it's been my experience that people who speak the way he does are usually of the rich white kid status.

I just get tired of hearing about how we were the only evil in WWII for dropping the nuke, interning Japs, and how we are the evil ones for x,y,z all the time about everything. I hate the government probably more than Faust but this constant America bashing must stop. We do not need to take a step backwards by going full commie in this country, allowing an even more top heavy government than we already have. People who lived during times of communism in Russia or fascist in Germany tend to agree with me, so that's why I think he's faking.

[Roo]

All of you love to talk about how much greater DPRK and communist russia would be than America, and tend to forget how easy we all really have it here (do to the fact that we are not communist Russia, N Korea, Nazi Germany etc).

Damnit man, stop putting me in that category. I've invested too much time in arguing with Tom to get our views on DPRK and Nazi Germany mixed up!

[texasmade]

americans are taught this is bad this is evil.

im pretty sure you can have communism and still be free. every body would be equal so to speak right?

what do people in america fight for? equality

i say f*ck it all to hell with government and these bullshit systems that govern us.

what do people say to that? crazy most of the time, paranoid, sometimes. whatever. look at the deep shit we are in right now and tell me that it is better than any other country right now. why? just because we get to speak our minds and have all the oppurtunities?

i say this..

with every oppurtunity to succeed there are numerous oppurtunities to fail.

these days most peoples mind set is..."I'll get mine hope you have fun scraping shit to eat out of dumpsters"


yet nobody sees anything wrong with that

[tom502]

Well, the liberal left's poster boy is Chavez, and Castro, but the right clumps them all in with Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Il.

Now, my main input is not unquestioned glorification of those systems, any of them, but of course some where more advanced than others, and none of them were perfect, but neither is the USA, UK, or Canada, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia. My injection was that certain systems have certain aspects that worked very well, and such aspects could be at least considered as a theoretical ideal that could be utilized in our future advancings of civil systems. All the war and US propaganda that paints as total evil of systems that we are at odds with, should be discarded as possible unfounded biases, to cloud the minds of our citizens of the evils we uphold and propagate.

[sgreger1]

im pretty sure you can have communism and still be free. every body would be equal so to speak right?

Name me a time in history where it actually worked out that way.
Communism results in an even more top heavy government than we have here and leads to corrupt people running it all, not "equals"

In America we fight for equality and freedom, freedom and communism are opposites.

i say f*ck it all to hell with government and these bullshit systems that govern us.

Without some form of government nothing would get done. It works in small communities, but not on a large scale, like for example a country with 300 million people in it. We need a limited government whose role is clearly defined.

look at the deep shit we are in right now and tell me that it is better than any other country right now. why? just because we get to speak our minds and have all the oppurtunities?

The whole world is in deep shit, but the bigger you are the harder you fall. And speaking your mind and having opportunities is a good thing, no?

Better than in communism where you have no opportunities and cannot speak your mind, amirite?

these days most peoples mind set is..."I'll get mine hope you have fun scraping shit to eat out of dumpsters"

No form of government (or lack of government) will ever change that. No congress or parliament, no committee can change the core of what humans are at their core.

This is why we must model government around it, since greed is inherent to mankind. Communism does not factor that in, which is why it has never worked. We are for the most part a capitalist country, at least at the beginning, and we became the most powerfully country in less than 300 years. I think we did okay. The communist countries that have been around for much longer cannot say the same.

[sgreger1]

Well, the liberal left's poster boy is Chavez, and Castro, but the right clumps them all in with Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Il.

Now, my main input is not unquestioned glorification of those systems, any of them, but of course some where more advanced than others, and none of them were perfect, but neither is the USA, UK, or Canada, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia. My injection was that certain systems have certain aspects that worked very well, and such aspects could be at least considered as a theoretical ideal that could be utilized in our future advancings of civil systems. All the war and US propaganda that paints as total evil of systems that we are at odds with, should be discarded as possible unfounded biases, to cloud the minds of our citizens of the evils we uphold and propagate.

Yes, I do not believe the left wants what Mao or Hitler wanted, as they were much more to the right than say Chavez or Castro.

Your right, there is a lot of propaganda in America as well, and whoever today's enemy is gets the most smear. This does not change the fact that some of the criticisms of other systems aren't unfounded. Communism is not what America was founded on, there are other countries that may be better to live in if one wants that, however we in America choose to do it differently.

Your right though, there are parts of other forms of government that would work, but as a whole, our system seems to have worked the best, up until now. This does not mean that because we are in a rut we should all of a sudden be begging for communism. It's like being stabbed and begging for a gunshot wound to fix it, it's a step backwards.

[CM]

Great how people forgets that ITS NOT ONLY THE PRESIDENT WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS. The presidents are easy way to hide the real naabs of government. : )

[texasmade]

Name me a time in history where it actually worked out that way.
Communism results in an even more top heavy government than we have here and leads to corrupt people running it all, not "equals"

...Capitalism breeds corruption. no matter what level you're at.




In America we fight for equality and freedom, freedom and communism are opposites.



....no enslavement is the opposite of freedom and thats what is happening ever so slowly in america. the government can run everything and still let people say what they want and do what they want...im not saying lets transform this into a communist nation and it might not have ever worked out that way but it is possible.





Better than in communism where you have no opportunities and cannot speak your mind, amirite?

...it is possible to have both


greed is inherent to mankind.

no greed is learned...babies aren't born religious, greedy, with fear, etc.

[tom502]

I didn't mean to imply we should copy it, but that we could learn from it.

[sgreger1]

...Capitalism breeds corruption. no matter what level you're at.

Government is control, which means power, which leads to corruption. Government breeds corruption, no matter what type you have. Are you making the claim that there was no corruption in the ex soviet union?

....no enslavement is the opposite of freedom and thats what is happening ever so slowly in america. the government can run everything and still let people say what they want and do what they want...im not saying lets transform this into a communist nation and it might not have ever worked out that way but it is possible.

Communism is closer to enslavement than capitalism. With capitalism you have property rights, you earn whatever you work for. In communism, the government owns your land and puts a cap on your wage in the name of fairness. With capitalism, at worst you are enslaved to debt via credit cards, loans etc, but that is done at your own hand. In communism, you are already a slave just for existing, and they will take their cut no matter if you consent or not.

...it is possible to have both

Explain to me how communism provides for more opportunity than America in it's current form, I am just curious.

no greed is learned...babies aren't born religious, greedy, with fear, etc.

No, we are born with fear. Children are the most fearful. Religious? No, but obviously mankind has a core tendency to want to worship something, since nearly every culture in history has done so.
And greed is the most inherent thing of them all, we lust for power, it's a byproduct of being at the top of the food chain.

[sgreger1]

I didn't mean to imply we should copy it, but that we could learn from it.

Absolutely. This is one problem America does have, is that we like to keep things the way they are, and that isn't a bad thing, but there is always room for improvement.