Let Us Honor True Greatness!

[sgreger1]

Lol, Chainsnuser, what in the f is that article about? I'm amazed someone actually tok time out of their day to contribute to that. Very funny though.

[Snusophile]

Lol, Chainsnuser, what in the f is that article about? I'm amazed someone actually tok time out of their day to contribute to that. Very funny though.

Don't be dissing Sophia the potato! Uncyclopedia is a satirical site containing total nonsense articles about everything. Usually Oscar Wilde provides commentary for the articles like "Wow, jesus makes some good shrimp salad" -Oscar Wilde

[Owens187]

Nuff said in my opinion. Don't get no better than this.

Ya damn right.

[blotgode]

The nazis had the coolest art, imagery, and uniforms.

And it was all stolen from, Viking mythology,hinduism,celtic,gaelic and other cultures......

[Judge Faust]

[quote="sgreger1"]

I don't see what the People's Republic of China has to do with this discussion.

Lol you think The people's republic of china is the worlds leading superpower?

Not quite, china is strong but would be worthless without the US and our immense spending. They would be insolvent overnight if the US dissapeared.

And yet, without Chinese backing, the Empire would go bankrupt.

A beautiful closed circle, is it not? Also a fitting end to a capitalist empire - bought wholesale by a Communist superpower. Mmm... the irony is exquisite.

We've won with the odds against us before. As far as taking on all of europe no probably would not have won. but to claim the US had no part in defeating the Nazi's in WWII is not fair. We were a significant factor in the destruction of the fascists.

You have won against superior odds before? Pray tell, name one such conflict.

PS: try to do better than the 18th century.

PSS: you would still be wrong, but I don't wish to get into the intricacies of 18th century nautical technology and the resulting problems of waging a global war given such limitations.

Your right, Russia came out of WWII as the leader of the free world, and is the shinning light on the hill that all the rest of the world comes to when it needs something. :roll:

(Oh, and that arms race may have had something to do with it)

What does a "free world" have to do with "defeat?" What is a "free world," anyway? If you're not going to argue your points, stay out of adult discussions.

[Judge Faust]

In another thread he said he's from the bread basket of the Soviet Union, which I think is the Ukraine but he goes on to call Ukraine traitorous. He also alludes to living somewhere on the Muni route so I think thats anywhere in the Bay area. Unfortunately in that thread he also said he plans to move to China but has obviously not made it yet.

Good memory, RRK.

The "bread basket" comment referred to Belarus. Unlike Ukraine, we have not betrayed out Soviet roots, and we are doing quite well for ourselves.

Yes, I currently live in San Francisco proper. One is not obligated to love (or even like) the country in which one resides.

Yes, I wish to one day immigrate to China. Not only is it a beacon of freedom, but it is the undisputed future master of our world. I may as well switch sides now - I love China's politics, so this is a no-brainer.

[RRK]

Good memory, RRK.

Well, actually just search skills.

[Redbeard]

In another thread he said he's from the bread basket of the Soviet Union, which I think is the Ukraine but he goes on to call Ukraine traitorous. He also alludes to living somewhere on the Muni route so I think thats anywhere in the Bay area. Unfortunately in that thread he also said he plans to move to China but has obviously not made it yet.

Good memory, RRK.

The "bread basket" comment referred to Belarus. Unlike Ukraine, we have not betrayed out Soviet roots, and we are doing quite well for ourselves.

Yes, I currently live in San Francisco proper. One is not obligated to love (or even like) the country in which one resides.

Yes, I wish to one day immigrate to China. Not only is it a beacon of freedom, but it is the undisputed future master of our world. I may as well switch sides now - I love China's politics, so this is a no-brainer.

I have good Belarussian friend whose visa ran out a few months ago and had to return to Belarus for a couple of years. Last time I talked politics with her (admittedly, quite some time ago), she told me she and her family (and according to her, many Belarussians) didn't like the government there. I think she may have used the word "despotic." From what I can tell, though, your political views and hers are miles apart. She recalled the fall of the Soviet Union fondly, for instance.

Just out of curiosity, how long have you lived in the US and what initially brought you here?

[tom502]

Yes, I wish to one day immigrate to China. Not only is it a beacon of freedom, but it is the undisputed future master of our world. I may as well switch sides now - I love China's politics, so this is a no-brainer.

I really like the DPRK, and it's Juche philosophy.

[RRK]

My wife works with a women who along with her husband defected from Siberia through Greece in the late eighties. She talks about how bad the Soviet Union was compared to the US all the time. Mostly about the health care and education systems. The only criticism I have heard from her of the US is that since she was an ice skater in the Soviet Union she thinks it is sad that in the US only the rich girls get to try to be ice skaters.
One of my land lords during college was also a defector from the Soviet Union. He was a doctor and very patriotic towards the US. He felt like being a doctor in the Soviet Union was a horrible experience compared to the US.
My wife also works with a man who along with his wife are from China. He pretty much hates the culture here and can't stand that his kids are completely Americanized. He would love to move back to China but as a GIS programmer he just can't provide for his family the way that he can here. He makes about 80k working for the City of Columbus.

[RRK]

I really like the DPRK.

North Korea? Seriously?

[tom502]

Yeah, I do. Maybe it's the idealism, utopianism. But I like it. Though this is from an outsiders view. I know it's not PC to like them, because they don't grovel to the US, but I like that aspect too.

[RRK]

idealism, utopianism.

:?:

North Korea is a one party democracy with an "eternal president". They rely completely on food and energy aid from other countries. They along with Cuba are the only 100% state owned economies in the world. They trade black market weapons and drugs. They have the highest infant mortality rate in the world.

Multiple international human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, accuse North Korea of having one of the worst human rights records of any nation. North Koreans have been referred to as "some of the world's most brutalized people" by Human Rights Watch, due to the severe restrictions placed on their political and economic freedoms. North Korean defectors have testified to the existence of prison and detention camps with an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 inmates (about 0.85% of the population), and have reported torture, starvation, rape, murder, medical experimentation, forced labour, and forced abortions. Convicted political prisoners and their families are sent to these camps, where they are prohibited from marrying, required to grow their own food, and cut off from external communication (which was apparently once allowed).

On the other hand South Korea is totally sweet. Kinda like how West Germany was totally sweet and East Germany sucked butt. One day I believe the Koreans will be reunified.

[Roo]

I guess I have several points to contribute. Tom, Juche (self-reliance) has failed miserably for the DPRK. Without China a much larger percentage of their population would quite literally starve to death. The shortage of food, resources, and basic freedoms in that country is alarming. DPRK is in a state of total devistation, and to use the word utopia in the context of the plight of its citizens is, I'm sorry to say, absolutely absurd. Idealism and reality must be distinguished.

Judge, as a fellow Sinophile, I am shocked at your declaration of China as a beacon of freedom. I have traveled there extensively and considered moving there myself on many occasions, but to claim to appreciate the politics of a governemnt that thrives on corruption, bribery, oppression, torture and execution of political dissent, lies, and extreme censorship of all media is -- I'll put it nicely -- ****ing odd, dude. Great food, wonderfully generous, hospitable, intruiging and curious people, and a wealth of fascinating history and culture... But give me a break on the politics. Most of my Chinese friends who both trust me enough to say so and are intelligent enough to see through the lies have expressed great sorrow for their lack of basic freedoms. Hardly a beacon. On another note, I can get pretty good contract airfares on Lufthansa to Minsq next time you want to go home -- send me a PM if you're interested.
To get back to the topic, let us not confuse Lenin with Stalin. While Lenin was no angel of mercy and compassion, he remains a cultural hero to the ex-Soviet diaspora. (On a side note, I live less than a mile from what I believe is the only statue of the man in the US). He was to Stalin what Zhou Enlai was to Mao Zedong; an ambitious idealist whose vision was vastly distorted and employed with disasterous results by his successor upon his demise. And Judge, while I respect his legacy to some degree, I certainly don't credit the man for the fact that Americans don't speak German and fly the Nazi flag lol. That's a joke.

One last thing, the Swastika is the reverse of a Vedic symbol that was adopted by early buddhists to represent the dharma and the "wheel" of samsara, the cycle of life, death, and rebirth. It's amusing to visit ancient Buddhist temples and observe the perplexed tourists wondering why the big Buddha statue is sporting a reverse Swastika. Nazi symbolism in its present form, however, is not cool at all. What it represents is horrific. I suggest to anyone who thinks otherwise that they visit a concentration camp. Thanks for reading, done rambling now. Happy Thanksgiving.

[chainsnuser]

One day I believe the Koreans will be reunified.

Not if the South Koreans listen to what the former German president Richard von Weizsäcker suggested on a state visit back in 1991, namely to reject the idea of a Korean reunion, to not make the same mistake that West Germany had made. And according to the fact that the reunion appeared to be a real possibility in the 90's and is almost utopian nowadays, they probably have listened.

Cheers!