Whistleblower: Bush admin planned the war prior to 9-11

[sgreger1]

Sage, I promised I wouldn't post any political content, but this is not about health care and I am really curious what people think of this.


Someone who was a translator during the bush admin has turned whisteblower and is claiming that PRIOR TO 9-11, republican officials negotiated with Turkey and discussed plans to invade Iraq.


This is from the uber liberal Dail Kos but it is the best account I could find.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9...in-Summer-2001

In an interview with former CIA officer Phillip Giraldi, FBI translator turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds named Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle as having been wiretapped and recorded discussing plans with the Turkish ambassador in the Summer of 2001 to invade Iraq and occupy the Kurdish region bordering Turkey.



Apparently the guy tried to take this to court and request the fbi obtain the conversation which was captured via wiretap to prove what he is saying, courts of course claiming state secrets so can't investigate.


If these allegations are true, & the wiretapped conversations exist, than I think people need to burn for this.
It would mean that the invasion of Iraq was planned prior to 9-11, increasing the validity of the claims that the USA was complicit in the 9-11 attacks, a belief I currently do not agree with. But this would change my mind

What is everyones take on this?

[tom502]

I do know there is no plane at the Pentagon, just a missle hole. And one of the plans landed at an airport and disappeared.

[Veganpunk]

It's completely obvious the Bush admin. wanted to go to war with Iraq. 911 was just an excuse. The best time to strike anger and fear.

[lxskllr]

It's completely obvious the Bush admin. wanted to go to war with Iraq. 911 was just an excuse. The best time to strike anger and fear.

^^This... I don't think it points to any greater conspiracy. Bush was looking for a reason to invade, and 9-11 made it easy for him.

[VBSnus]

I do like this timeline though. I'll have to research to see if it has been fact checked.

January 25, 2001: Clarke Warns Rice Al-Qaeda Cells Are Inside US and Are 'Major Threat'

May 30, 2001: FBI Is Warned of Major Al-Qaeda Operation in the US Involving Hijackings, Explosives, and/or New York City

Summer 2001: Bin Laden Speech Mentions 20 Martyrs in Upcoming Attack; Other Hints of Attack Spread Widely [9/11 Commission, 6/16/2004]

June 2001: Germans Warn of Plan to Use Aircraft as Missiles on US and Israeli Symbols [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Frankfurt), 9/11/2001; Washington Post, 9/14/2001; Fox News, 5/17/2002]

June 4, 2001: Illegal Afghans Overheard Discussing New York City Hijacking Attack [Miami Herald, 9/20/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001]

June 13, 2001: Bin Laden Wants to Assassinate Bush with an Explosives-Filled Airplane [New York Times, 6/4/2002]

Late Summer 2001: Jordan Warns US That Aircraft Will Be Used in Major Attack Inside the US

July 2001: India Warns US of Possible Terror Attacks [Fox News, 5/17/2002]

July 8, 2001: Prominent Prisoner Publicly Warns of Al-Qaeda Intent to Export Violence to US Soil

July 16, 2001: British Spy Agencies Warn Al-Qaeda Is in The Final Stages of Attack in the West [London Times, 6/14/2002]

Late July 2001: Argentina Relays Warning to the US [Forward, 5/31/2002]

Late July 2001: Taliban Foreign Minister Tries to Warn US and UN of Huge Attack Inside the US [Independent, 9/7/2002; Reuters, 9/7/2002]

Late July 2001: Egypt Warns CIA of 20 Al-Qaeda Operatives in US; Four Training to Fly [CBS News, 10/9/2002]

August 2001: Moroccan Informant Warns US of Large Scale, Imminent Attack in New York [Agence France-Presse, 11/22/2001; International Herald Tribune, 5/21/2002; London Times, 6/12/2002]

August 2001: Russia Warns US of Suicide Pilots [Fox News, 5/17/2002]

August 2001: Persian Gulf Informant Gives Ex-CIA Agent Information About 'Spectacular Terrorist Operation' [Baer, 2002, pp. 55-58; Financial Times, 1/12/2002]

Early August 2001: Britain Warns US Again; Specifies Multiple Airplane Hijackings [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 5/19/2002]

August 8-15, 2001: Israel Reportedly Warns of Major Assault on the US [Daily Telegraph, 9/16/2001; Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001]

August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorist Living in US; at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named [Der Spiegel (Hamburg), 10/1/2002]

August 24, 2001: Foreign Intelligence Reminds US of Al-Qaeda Plot to Attack within US

August 29, 2001: Cayman Islands Letter Warns of 'Major Terrorist Act Against US via an Airline or Airlines' [Miami Herald, 9/20/2001; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/2001; MSNBC, 9/23/2001]

August 30, 2001-September 4, 2001: Egypt Warns Al-Qaeda Is in Advanced Stages of Planning Significant Attack on US [New York Times, 6/4/2002]

Late August 2001: French Warning to US Echoes Earlier Israeli Warning [Fox News, 5/17/2002]

September 4, 2001: Mossad Gives Another Warning of Major, Imminent Attack [Sunday Mail, 9/16/2001]

September 7, 2001: French Give 'Very Specific Information' about Possible Attack on US Soil [Le Figaro (Paris), 10/31/2001]

[sgreger1]

I do know there is no plane at the Pentagon, just a missle hole. And one of the plans landed at an airport and disappeared.

Well, like I said, I am not sure what to think about the 9-11 conspiracy thing because both sides have debunked the other sides evidence.

I don't see how a plane could have dissapeared, they are rather large.

The PNAC document definately places belief closer to the conspiracy side though.

[cj]

let it go already

[sgreger1]

It's completely obvious the Bush admin. wanted to go to war with Iraq. 911 was just an excuse. The best time to strike anger and fear.

^^This... I don't think it points to any greater conspiracy. Bush was looking for a reason to invade, and 9-11 made it easy for him.

Yah, we can all agree they wanted to do this before 9-11, the question is whether or not 9-11 was a well timed coincidence or if it was planned by the admin.

Frankly I think that to pull of a conspiracy of such epic proportions, it would involve complicit silence of thousands of people in every industry, which i find hard to believe.

[sgreger1]

@VB SNUS

Well to be fair that timeline does not include all of the intel given to the Clinton admin which they did nothing to act upon these threats.

But that timeline sounds about right for the most part, I think the reality of this is that Bush admin knew something was going to hapen, and let it happen because they needed something to rally America into letting them go to war in the middle east. Just like we did in pearl harbor.


Don't think Bush planned it, would require too many moving pieces and someone would have leaked it by now.

[lxskllr]

Frankly I think that to pull of a conspiracy of such epic proportions, it would involve complicit silence of thousands of people in every industry, which i find hard to believe.

Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

[sagedil]

No sgreger1, this isn't politics, this is history. Different beast all together. :wink:

It has become clear the last number of years, that the Bush administration wanted to Invade Iraq from the moment they took office. Bush wanted to defend his Dad's honor, and at the same time, and for the first time, be "better" than his dad by doing what his Dad had refused to do. Finishing the Iraq war in their mindset.

9/11 just became a convenient excuse. From the moment we first went after Afghanistan, we really were already planning Iraq. The ginned up excuses, the WMD, the fake intelligence, were all simply an after thought to justify what they had already decided to do.

I'm just pleased to hear more voices finally speaking the truth. Expect it to become a flood as more and more books come out.

And FWIW, although I may be a lefty, and don't put it past the government to be *capable* of pulling off a 9/11. I don't think that was the case. Was just a useful opportunity for Cheney.

[sagedil]

let it go already

Let WHAT go. learning the truth about why we went in to what may be one of the most costly wars ever??? No, that is history and we MUST know the truth. If any good can come out of this, maybe Americans will learn how not to be lied to again????

[sagedil]

@VB SNUS

Well to be fair that timeline does not include all of the intel given to the Clinton admin which they did nothing to act upon these threats.

Umm, no, Clinton at least fired missiles trying to kill Bin Laden. And what did the right do then???

All up in arms, "Wag the tail", Clinton is just trying to distract us from what really matters. Who gave him a fu***** blow job. Geez, we don't forget you know.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...ZkM2QwYmRkODQ=

[cj]

yes there was a conspiracy for sure just not by us i dont believe most of what ANY government or ANY president on alot of subjects we will never get any honest answers on any of it but I Do not believe our government had anything to do with the 9-11 attacks ( directly) i do however believe they didnt act when they should have

[tom502]

I think the puppet masters are far beyond whatever admin holds the seat.