ARIZONA bans Global Warming legislation

[BuLLitz]

NASA has had meteorological stations since 1880? Them clever bastards...

[sundog]

Oh, the graph that was before they admitted their mistakes? :lol:

You won't get any more argument from me. I've found it a waste of time with a "true believer". You have your religion and I'll have mine.

[justintempler]

Oh, the graph that was before they admitted their mistakes? :lol:

You won't get any more argument from me. I've found it a waste of time with a "true believer". You have your religion and I'll have mine.

sundog,

You are the one that said the earth is cooling
You are the one to said to look up the info from NASA.

If you have some evidence to back up your beliefs, I'm all ears.

[hoss]

Egh, earth gets warm, earth gets cold. Has been happening for 4.5 billion years. Will continue to happen if we tax it or not. That said, the climate bill is just more government hanky panky designed to get in my wallet.

[cyrax777]

im still holding out for the ice age they promised us in 70's

[sundog]

I know it's a waste of time, but here goes.

The NASA staff has done some recent bookkeeping and refined the data from 1930-1999. NASA has been adjusting recent temperatures upwards and older temperatures downwards. The odds of all adjusted years working in concert to increase the slope of the graph are one-thousand-billion-billion to one.

Compare these two NASA charts for example.

The first is one from 1999:


Then this one is from 2007:


Why did I say my source was NASA when they're unreliable? I guess I just associate satellite data with NASA. The other two widely used global temperature data sources are from earth-orbiting satellites UAH (University of Alabama at Huntsville) and RSS (Remote Sensing Systems.) Both show decreasing temperatures over the last decade, with present temperatures barely above the 30 year average.


Anomalies 1998-2008; University of Alabama (UAH)


Anomalies 1998-2008; Remote Sensing Systems (RSS)


Which one to believe? Is NASA getting better at it, or are they going along with the propaganda? I think it's because of Dr. James Hansen, Al Gore's butthole buddy.

Ice core samples in several different studies prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that increases in carbon dioxide FOLLOW increases in global temperatures, sometimes by as much as 800 years.

Man-made global warming is not science, it's religion. You have to want to believe in it.

[justintempler]

Anomalies 1998-2008; University of Alabama (UAH)

Case in point;

Why do you pick a 1998-2008 graph?
Maybe because by cherry picking your data, you can prove your point?

1998 was an abnormal year because we had an El Nino event which gave an abnormal spike in temperature for that year. So starting your graph in 1998 gives the false impression that the earth is cooling.

This is what it looks like when you don't cherry pick your data. Taken directly from UAH's website.

http://climate.uah.edu/maps/28yeartemps.jpg



http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org...ature-records/

Global Temperature Records
By Zeke Hausfather | April 3, 2008
Measuring Earth’s temperature is no easy task.

Four different groups produce temperature records that attempt to compile a single global mean surface temperature:
NASA’s GISStemp,
the Hadley Center’s HadCRU,
Remote Sensing Systems’ RSS,
and
the University of Alabama, Huntsville’s UAH.
.......

As shown in the figure below, all four temperature series align remarkably well when normalized on the same baseline period. GISS and HadCRU both show a warming trend of 0.16 degrees C per decade from 1979 to February 2008. RSS shows a warming trend of 0.18 per decade over the same period, while UAH shows a warming trend of 0.14. The largest divergence between temperature series over the last 30 years occurred in 1998, when both satellite-based series showed almost half a degree higher temperatures than land-based series, though the cause of this is unclear.



Journalists dealing with temperature data should keep in mind that there are a number of different global mean temperature series available, and that advocates often tend to pick the one that will best reinforce their perspectives. Over longer time periods, however, the differences between different temperature series’ settle out, and all show comparable warming temperature trends.

Global warming is fact. Water supply, military, farming, disease control, floods etc. don't care whether global warming is caused by man or not.

[sundog]

Any global warming caused by "greenhouse gases" would show up first in the troposphere. It hasn't.

Satellite readings of temperatures in the lower troposphere (an area scientists predict would immediately reflect any global warming) show no warming since readings began 23 years ago. These readings are accurate to within 0.01ºC, and are consistent with data from weather balloons. Only land-based temperature stations show a warming trend, and these stations do not cover the entire globe, are often contaminated by heat generated by nearby urban development, and are subject to human error.

Humans could disappear from Earth and an outside observer wouldn't be able to tell any difference in global temperatures except those caused by the cycles of the sun. Thinking that human activity has had an effect on global climate cycles is the epitome of arrogance.

But we'll never convince each other so why try? :lol:

Water supply, military, farming, disease control, floods etc. don't care whether global warming is caused by man or not.

No, but politicians apparently do. They're wasting our tax money on schemes that won't make one whit's worth of difference. That greatly concerns me because it could lead to loss of our freedoms.

More charts and graphs to play with.

[justintempler]

More charts and graphs to play with.

Your link points to the:
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...e_and_Medicine

This is the same outfit that tries to pass off it's work as having come from NASA and the National Academy of Sciences. Their credibility ranks right up there with Alex Jones, Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh. :roll:

[Badfish74]

Their credibility ranks right up there with Alex Jones, Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh.

I've just been lurking on this thread up til now. But I always love a good bash on ultra conservative assholes!! You left out Sean Hannity, or was he lumped in with the other Fox News automotons?!

Just listening to those guys makes me twitch! My parents love those guys, but they also thought SC Gov Mark Sanford was like God's furst cousin or something! I took great pleasure in emailing them the article when he admitted to cheating on his wife with some Argentinian broad!! :twisted:

[justintempler]

Badfish74,

I don't want to turn the argument into liberal vs conservative. I've got nothing against conservatives. Al Gore is just as guilty of distorting the facts as the ultra-conservatives.

Here is a video that exposes myths on both sides:


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/N2B34sO7HPM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed>

[Badfish74]

I don't want to turn the argument into liberal vs conservative. I've got nothing against conservatives. Al Gore is just as guilty of distorting the facts as the ultra-conservatives.

I know, and I didn't mean to try to drag you into one.
It's just being raised by two very overbearing, abusive ultra conservatives, and being subjected to their hypocrisy on a daily basis kinda puts a bad taste in my mouth for that whole system of belief.

I know that conservative, moderate, and liberal politicians are all at fault for the many problems that this country has faced, and is currently facing. It's nearly impossible for that many differing opinions and beliefs to come to a good decision!

I just like to throw in a jab at the far right wing whenever I get the chance! :wink:

[Kvlt]

Nope. NASA says otherwise, not me. Google for the info.

It helps if you use the real NASA data, and not what Durkin makes up and gets reposted on denier websites.

If you want to prove me wrong, then provide me with the actual NASA link.

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/boj9ccV9htk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed>

Global warming is over. If you haven't noticed, each year is getting cooler and cooler.

I find this strange because I grew up in the 90's, so 90+ degree days were the norm for me.

I don't want to turn the argument into liberal vs conservative. I've got nothing against conservatives. Al Gore is just as guilty of distorting the facts as the ultra-conservatives.

I know, and I didn't mean to try to drag you into one.
It's just being raised by two very overbearing, abusive ultra conservatives, and being subjected to their hypocrisy on a daily basis kinda puts a bad taste in my mouth for that whole system of belief.

I know that conservative, moderate, and liberal politicians are all at fault for the many problems that this country has faced, and is currently facing. It's nearly impossible for that many differing opinions and beliefs to come to a good decision!

I just like to throw in a jab at the far right wing whenever I get the chance! :wink:

So, you're a liberal? A liberal "metalhead" and tobacco user. Strange.

[Badfish74]

So, you're a liberal? A liberal "metalhead" and tobacco user. Strange.

About as strange as a nonsmoking conservative that listens to Fox News 24/7 on Sirius right? :wink:

[justintempler]

Global warming is over. If you haven't noticed, each year is getting cooler and cooler.

I find this strange because I grew up in the 90's, so 90+ degree days were the norm for me.

You make one very big mistake, I don't know if you have spent your whole life in Ohio but what you are doing is taking your personal experience and assuming that it aplies to the whole world.

We are talking about GLOBAL warming, not what has happened in the USA over the last 20 years.

Ohio total area: 44,828 square miles
United States total area: 3,537,441 square miles.
Earth total area: 197,000,000 square miles

The United States makes up less than 2% of the world's surface.