Religious affilition, what do you believe?

[sgreger1]

That was a typo, I actually meant to type Polytheistic Satanism. But, I'm sure that would also prompt you to ask a similar question. And it's a good question. Basically it means you revere many Gods/Godessess from different pantheons, but Satan is your primary focus. But here is where it gets confusing.

Some Theistic Satanists see the Judeo-Christian Satan as a real entity and others see him as merely a necessary force in nature. Of course, to believe in the Judeo-Christian Satan as a real entity requires that you also believe in Judeo-Christianity, or that you at least believe that while he may not have existed when first conceived by man, he has now come into existence due to millions of people sub-consciously believing in him. Which I believe has occurred with all deities.

I just see Satan as (just as his name implies) the opposer, the adversary, one who brings about change, individualism and free thought. A Satanic archetype has been a common thread throughout many practices. It's not about "good" and "evil" for those are human terms. It's about light and darkness, the yin and yang. It's a balance.

As for Luciferianism, Lucifer and Satan are different deities. Lucifer was the Roman God, The Bringer of Light/Wisdom. There is only one reference to Lucifer in the bible, and I believe it is in Isaiah, and only in the King James version I think. The other versions state "O, how ye have fallen O' Morning Star (Lucifer)" But the Morning Star is actually Venus, and Venus is associated with Lucifer.

But then you have Laveyan Satanists. Laveyans are for the most part Atheists and Agnostics. They just see Satan as a symbol and a focus point to bring about change and individualism, etc...

There are a lot of fringe wacko groups out there that proclaim themselves as Satanists and Luciferians. Especially, some Luciferian groups that talk about aliens and go on about the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

There are really only a few very reliable and informative persons online that represent it correctly. Michael W. Ford and Venus Satanas on Youtube, Diane Vera has a very informative Occult website, and John Allee.

Thanks, I knew what luciferianism was but didn't understand how it would be plytheistic. The luciferians I believe are the ones who thought lucifer had been wrongly cast out of heaven and it was god's bad, but you obviousely subscribe to a different version.

But considering lucifer represents 1 part of a two part system in nature (light and dark), I am curious why you choose dark?



The bible only references lucifer in the context of a spiritual being once in Isaiah 14:3–20, but the rest of the time the word appears, it is used to refer to the morning star with no relation to the devil

[tom502]

I just found this link, these are pretty good:

http://www.luciferianliberationfront...ml#Anti-Tracts!

[NonServiam]

Which Luciferian groups talk about aliens, the illuminate, etc? Any links?

Tom, I knew you might have an interest there. You know I don't recall any immediately, but I'm sure a Google search of "Luciferian Aliens" could turn some up. Type Luciferian into Youtube and you'll get some of the Freemason/Illuminati folk.

[tom502]

Which Luciferian groups talk about aliens, the illuminate, etc? Any links?

[NonServiam]

How does Polytheistic Luciferianism work? Like there are multiple satans? I hadn't heard of that one before.

That was a typo, I actually meant to type Polytheistic Satanism. But, I'm sure that would also prompt you to ask a similar question. And it's a good question. Basically it means you revere many Gods/Godessess from different pantheons, but Satan is your primary focus. But here is where it gets confusing.

Some Theistic Satanists see the Judeo-Christian Satan as a real entity and others see him as merely a necessary force in nature. Of course, to believe in the Judeo-Christian Satan as a real entity requires that you also believe in Judeo-Christianity, or that you at least believe that while he may not have existed when first conceived by man, he has now come into existence due to millions of people sub-consciously believing in him. Which I believe has occurred with all deities.

I just see Satan as (just as his name implies) the opposer, the adversary, one who brings about change, individualism and free thought. A Satanic archetype has been a common thread throughout many practices. It's not about "good" and "evil" for those are human terms. It's about light and darkness, the yin and yang. It's a balance.

As for Luciferianism, Lucifer and Satan are different deities. Lucifer was the Roman God, The Bringer of Light/Wisdom. There is only one reference to Lucifer in the bible, and I believe it is in Isaiah, and only in the King James version I think. The other versions state "O, how ye have fallen O' Morning Star (Lucifer)" But the Morning Star is actually Venus, and Venus is associated with Lucifer.

But then you have Laveyan Satanists. Laveyans are for the most part Atheists and Agnostics. They just see Satan as a symbol and a focus point to bring about change and individualism, etc...

There are a lot of fringe wacko groups out there that proclaim themselves as Satanists and Luciferians. Especially, some Luciferian groups that talk about aliens and go on about the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

There are really only a few very reliable and informative persons online that represent it correctly. Michael W. Ford and Venus Satanas on Youtube, Diane Vera has a very informative Occult website, and John Allee.

[daruckis]

i dont believe in god. i dont really try to be a good person either. its pretty sweet, id recommend it.

[tom502]

I think that's traditional Satanism, belief in an actual Satan and demons.

[sgreger1]

I don't like labels, they restrict growth and thought. But I draw from several philosophies: Germanic Polytheism, Panentheism, and Polytheistic Luciferianism and Satanism. But these are subject to change at any time.

How does Polytheistic Luciferianism work? Like there are multiple satans? I hadn't heard of that one before.

[deadohsky]

Grew up christian, lutheran school and everything.

Now; i have absolutely no religious affiliation. To put it simply, I didn't like being lied to.

[jamesstew]

Bumped at Roo's request.

And since the idea of God is unprovable one way or another, I act as if God doesn't exist. I try to be the best person I can. If there is a God and he's so petty as to damn an otherwise good person for not worshipping him all the time, he's not the sort of God I'd want to worship anyway. If there isn't one, I haven't lost anything. I suppose it's an atheist's version of Pascal's wager, only without the stupid bit in it about tricking God into thinking you believe in him in order to get into heaven.

Best answer I've heard. I don't want a god that is vengeful and petty, who cares what food we eat and is obsessed by what your weiner looks like.

[NonServiam]

I don't like labels, they restrict growth and thought. But I draw from several philosophies: Germanic Polytheism, Panentheism, Polytheistic Satanism, Luciferianism . But these are subject to change at any time.

[tom502]

I am more a spiritual mix of the religious philosophies that I like, among them Rajneeshism, Advaita Vedanta, Vaisnavism, Nichiren Buddhism, and Pure Land Buddhism.

[bipolarbear1968]

Christian.

and it's not a religion - rather a relationship with God our creator and his son, Jesus Christ, our savior.

....and yes, I have a lot of work to do on myself...

This.

[Joe234]

I have no clue? Yet I think about it.

[ladysnus]

Christian.

and it's not a religion - rather a relationship with God our creator and his son, Jesus Christ, our savior.

....and yes, I have a lot of work to do on myself...

+1
I too have a lot of work to do