Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan - 1776 Will Commence Again' If Guns Taken Away

[SnusoMatic]

Gov. Cuomo of NY wants to ban clips that hold more than ten rounds. Says "No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer".

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/...e-gun-control/

[Zimobog]

Sorry, Cuomo. The 2nd isn't about hunting. Never was.

For people who have sworn "to uphold and defend the Constitution" simply use the amazing Google to learn what the framers actually thought they were doing by including the 2nd.

Those who haven't taken an oath, you are free to think whatever you want. What I think is that everyone who has ever lived or will live has a right to arm themselves however they see fit. It is as natural as breathing. This natural right has been denied by tyrants and by the tyranny of majority votes. There is no difference between the two.

I am personally much more comfortable with free and armed citizens owing weapons than I am with governments owning nuclear bombs.

[wadetheblade]

Lxskllr, I see your point, all my pistols are semi auto, not my shotgun nor any rifle I have ever hunted with or shot. Ive always wanted to shoot that Ruger Mark centerfire you showed.

[sgreger1]

I'm just going to leave this here: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2013/01/1...de-suicide.pdf

Generated using the database at cchrint.org. My linking of a blog on the Huffington Post wasn't an endorsement of them as a journalistic endeavor. I also believe that the Huffington Post is a heap of garbage, as is the case with most mainstream media. On the other hand, sometimes news agencies publish worthwhile stories. I also will concede that some of the suicides in deployed troops are due to the ridiculous number of tours they go through. That aside, I know of more than a couple of stateside suicides among Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, from people who have not deployed but were recently placed on antidepressants (in some cases, more than one at the same time, which is a big no-no).

I'm done debating this topic, but look forward to more interesting discussions down the line - thanks for staying civil sgreger, it's been nice to have a well-thought debate partner. I enjoy debating, and I hope you didn't take offense to my responses because that was never intended.

Oh no offense at all. I was always a fan of Alex Jones but he's just fallen off over the years. His core message is still there but its gotten bogged down on stuff like this. SSRI's are a potent medication that, like any medicine, needs to be administered properly to work and in a sample size of 300 million people, if even 20% are on a drug you will see crazy side effects. There are people who die of vitamin C overdose for god's sake lol.

[sgreger1]

Quick question for you guys, why is it that everywhere I read and everyone I talk to gives the impression that the government is going to "ban guns, and take away guns" though all I can find anywhere is that assault rifle ban would be re-implimented, as well as restrictions on capacity. Please someone explain this to me and give me some RELIABLE links. I own guns, but I personally have no need for an assault rifle.

I don't believe anyone is proposing taking everyone's guns. I think the general feeling here is that over the years they have "compromised" away all of our gun rights and eventually the end game is to ban guns like they do in many countries, like Australia where they do gun buybacks etc.

Also assault weapons, and the stigma associated with, is completely created by the media and those who wish to scare people.


Here is an example of the compromise and slow erosion of rights that I speak of:

Let's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. I received it from the 2nd amendment and the Dick act of 1902.

Along you come and say, "Give me that cake." I say, "No, it's my cake." You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.

Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.

There I am with my half of the cake, and you walk back up and say, "Give me that cake."

I say, "No, it's my cake."

You say, "Let's compromise." What do I get out of this compromise? Why, I get to keep half of what's left of the cake I already own.

So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- and I'm left holding what is now just a quarter of my cake.

And I'm sitting in the corner with my quarter piece of cake, and here you come again. You want my cake. Again.

You say, "Let's compromise once more." What do I get out of this compromise? I get to keep one eighth of what's left of the cake I already own?

So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Machine gun ban of 1986 -- and I'm left holding what is now just an eighth of my cake.

I sit back in the corner with just my eighth of cake that I once owned outright and completely, I glance up and here you come once more.

You say nothing and just grab my cake; This time you take several bites -- we'll call this compromise the Clinton Executive Orders -- and I'm left with about a tenth of what has always been MY DAMN CAKE and you've got nine-tenths of it.

Then we compromised with the Lautenberg Act (nibble, nibble), the HUD/Smith and Wesson agreement (nibble, nibble), the Brady Law (NOM NOM NOM), the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act (sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!)
I'm left holding crumbs of what was once a large and satisfying cake, and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable", and wondering "why we won't compromise".

I'm done with being reasonable, and I'm done with compromise. Nothing about gun control in this country has ever been "reasonable" nor a genuine "compromise".

[lxskllr]

That's a hilarious and accurate analogy sgreger :^D

[truthwolf1]

I can guarantee that no on took a pill and decided to kill themselves, there was something waiting under the surface prior to taking the medication.

Yes, under the surface (what is it the ID?? of our personalities) we all have some sort of inner demons but I think there is enough personal witness testimony out there that will prove that statement highly incorrect. My own doctor gave me the "if you start to feel suicidal taking this sleeping medication then stop it immediately".

It is worrying to think about the cocktail of meds that are being handed out to our returning sodliers (PTSD) doing multiple tours. I think there could very well be a huge connection with meds being a strong contributor to initiating someone's will to commit suicide.

[sgreger1]

Yes, under the surface (what is it the ID?? of our personalities) we all have some sort of inner demons but I think there is enough personal witness testimony out there that will prove that statement highly incorrect. My own doctor gave me the "if you start to feel suicidal taking this sleeping medication then stop it immediately".

It is worrying to think about the cocktail of meds that are being handed out to our returning sodliers (PTSD) doing multiple tours. I think there could very well be a huge connection with meds being a strong contributor to initiating someone's will to commit suicide.

I think with soldiers it is just hard to treat them, PTSD or not. That's why so many are homeless, crazy, or dead via suicide. Medicine helps a lot, and some of them it gives them enough energy to finally off themselves.

My brother in law jumped off a building to kill himself while on anti-psychs (he's also schizo though), and his mom tried to blame the drugs. It's not the drugs though, he had schizophrenia (where suicides are extremely common) and was also on meth.

Most regular people dont take SSRI's and then kill themselves or others. Some do, and that is likely due to an issue other than the pill itself, as the pill can only amplify existing suicidal thoughts, which is why they want you that if you start feeling that way to stop taking the medication.

[truthwolf1]

[Fazer]

That's a hilarious and accurate analogy sgreger :^D

I starting to understand after looking at that analogy, but this is what i was just about to post.

From a Brit on the outside looking in, i do find it a bit odd what some of you in the US feel you "need" to defend yourself and your home. Some of the YouTube videos I've watched have bloody ridiculously amounts military style hardware. Some have enough to start a small war, add a second hand helicopter gunship and they'd be sorted. Surely all anybody needs is a 9mm pistol, and maybe a 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun combo type thing, or a .308 rifle.

I don't think they should take away ALL of your guns, F"%k, i wish we could have the same rights as you lot, but what some people have is .... well ..... ridiculous

I guess it's hard for me to understand living in a country where we can only have a 12 ft pound air rifle, or a 6 ft pounds air pistol, and ****, if we're carrying a knife in public (in our pocket), it's go to jail, do not pass go do not collect 200 pounds.

I guess they want you lot like us, government suppression of the people with the government having the all weapons, and the people can't defend themselves. I dunno, it's all a bit over my head, but i do hope they don't take them all away. Law abiding citizen will have nothing while the criminals/government do.

[Frankie Reloaded]

Dedication should also be banned.

The biggest blow to the Americans I can remember was delivered by a dozen or so dedicated Saudi Arabs with boxcutters. Boxcutters should be banned.

The second biggest blow I can remember was delivered by a dedicated American with a dozen or so bags of fertilizer. Fertilizers should also be banned.

But above all, dedication must be banned. Because otherwise somebody really dedicated starts killing members of the ruling class with scissors, pens, coins in socks, pieces of masonry... Difficult to ban all those things.


On the other, more serious hand, as somebody from a gun-banned country I would like to ask you: Do you feel that you are more free due to the guns? Because I am not sure. I cannot have a gun without much harrassment, but that applies to everybody around me and I have never seen a gun in public other than police etc. I have never even heard of anybody being hurt by a gun. By this I mean people I knew or I would at least heard about before, not TV. I met some people in my life that I did not like and I really would not like to see them armed.

[Skell18]

I'm not going to get in to the whole guns thing on this forum again.

Just popping my head in to let you all know that my own unique brand of dyslexia read the title as:

"Aled Jones vs Piers Morgan ...."

That's a fight I'd pay to see

Not the only one mate, I wouldn't mind seeing either one of their arses kicked! Ones a welsh khunt, the other is just a khunt!

[whalen]

You as well my friend! Just had to take a little time out while I dealt with life for a minute, but back to normal now so all is well.

Tranquillo then..................... I just have to stay out of the gun threads, to hot a topic for me.

[CoderGuy]

I starting to understand after looking at that analogy, but this is what i was just about to post.

From a Brit on the outside looking in, i do find it a bit odd what some of you in the US feel you "need" to defend yourself and your home. Some of the YouTube videos I've watched have bloody ridiculously amounts military style hardware. Some have enough to start a small war, add a second hand helicopter gunship and they'd be sorted. Surely all anybody needs is a 9mm pistol, and maybe a 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun combo type thing, or a .308 rifle.

I don't think they should take away ALL of your guns, F"%k, i wish we could have the same rights as you lot, but what some people have is .... well ..... ridiculous

I guess it's hard for me to understand living in a country where we can only have a 12 ft pound air rifle, or a 6 ft pounds air pistol, and ****, if we're carrying a knife in public (in our pocket), it's go to jail, do not pass go do not collect 200 pounds.

I guess they want you lot like us, government suppression of the people with the government having the all weapons, and the people can't defend themselves. I dunno, it's all a bit over my head, but i do hope they don't take them all away. Law abiding citizen will have nothing while the criminals/government do.

I think you hit the nail on the head... we don't want to end up like you guys, or Australia, or any of the other countries that no longer have that right.

My analogy is geared toward tobacco. In the beginning, the anti's convinced the general public to ban cigarette ads, for the children, when that didn't work, they convinced the general public to ban smoking in bars and restaurants, for the safety of the workers, when that didn't work, they convinced congress to pass the PACT act, for the children and to stop trafficking. Now they are going after products that have no harmful effects to others (snus and snuff for instance) and once those are gone, they will try to finally ban tobacco all together. The point is, once you start letting them chip away, they won't stop until they have the whole cake (re sgregor). And of course, once they have your cake, now they decide they want your pie, and your food, and your water.

So it isn't whether or not someone "needs" an arsenal, it's that we still have the right to have one.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Tranquillo then..................... I just have to stay out of the gun threads, to hot a topic for me.

Someone harmed you ..brother ? ;(