Visit Detroit at your own risk, police union warns!

**lxskllr** · 09-10-12, 05:30 AM

You deserve better Detroit. When are you going to get it?

They deserve better? They have the city they wanted. The city they worked for, and the city they incubated...

I'd love to visit Detroit, and do some urban exploration. I'd have to be armed though. No way I'd wander around there without protection.

**Snusdog** · 09-10-12, 07:50 AM

Allow corporations to define the terms of globalization

Foster an entitlements-for-votes democracy

And you get

Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC

**Snusdog** · 09-10-12, 08:15 AM

We will be wise to protect our national parks and natural wonders

Just as Europe was wise to protect her cathedrals and castles

one day the USA (like Europe today) will offer nothing to the world but a vacation destination

Smart money.....big money.......is invested elsewhere

Think about it.......why do you think China and Taiwan are allowed access to the global market to sell their goods.....when human rights violations abound there.

Because those human rights atrocities are what allow companies to make your cell phones and laptops in China for pennies on the dollar compared to what it would cost to make them here or in Europe...... where workers are not treated as expendable animals............

Thus the corporations lobby our government to keep the Chinese work force enslaved.........rather than making China clean up and play on a level playing field before her products are allowed on the market........and to this our elected official gladly consent ………………all to the demise of the American worker.............

make China play fair before she enters the market with her goods..........and cheap labor and big profit margins disappear.........and with them also disappears all the reasons that motivated companies to move their production overseas

**lxskllr** · 09-10-12, 11:44 PM

I generally agree Dog, but you can't lay all the blame on the corporations. Every individual is just as culpable. People had a chance to buy American, but they said 'fsck you' to their neighbors, and decided to save a little money instead of supporting their communities. We're victims of greed from top to bottom.

**Crow** · 10-10-12, 12:33 AM

I'll have to visit Detroit sometime... I'm a bit of an extreme tourist; I might as well live life on the edge!

Originally posted by Snusdog

And you get

Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC Detroit KY and Detroit CA and Detroit MA and Detroit PA and Detroit NY and Detroit LA and Detroit OH and Detroit IL and Detroit RI and Detroit NM and Detroit AR and Detroit FL and Detroit NC

Thanks for leaving WA out of this :^)

**halocog** · 10-10-12, 12:39 AM

I thought Detroit was always like this lol

**Bigblue1** · 10-10-12, 01:38 AM

I was told by a Chicago Fire fighter that Chicago would be like Detroit already if it weren't for the residency rules that cops and fireman have to live within city limits.... Needless to say he would rather not be bound by the rule......

**Dirty Hippy** · 10-10-12, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by lxskllr

I generally agree Dog, but you can't lay all the blame on the corporations. Every individual is just as culpable. People had a chance to buy American, but they said 'fsck you' to their neighbors, and decided to save a little money instead of supporting their communities. We're victims of greed from top to bottom.

lxskllr, In real life and on the internet I try not to be argumentative with people, when your said and done most people will never give two shits about what you say.

But I have to open my mouth about your quote.....I really truly do sir.

As I sit here drinking my beer.....I keep rolling your quote around in my head, not believing what I just read. You really don't under stand the true pain behind the eyes of people in our state.

Where I live, thousands upon thousand's of people, including my loved ones lost their jobs (mainly during 2007-2009) in the declining automotive sector.

Leer, Federal Mogul, Ford, General Motors, Delphi, Motor Wheel, Fisher Body...... All of these places closed because of one thing and one thing only, they wanted to move their company to China and Mexico so that they could produce their parts cheaper. They did not give one **** about their people.

Many of these people worked at these plants for decades so that they could feed their families, I know about 10+ people that were only 5 years away from retirement when their company said **** you, no retirement and no severance pay.

What you just said is the most ignorant and illogical thing I have heard in many many years.

When you see a former automobile factory worker go bankrupt, starve or commit suicide. Perhaps you will understand that it WAS the corporations fault and not the fact that no one buys American....

**Snusdog** · 10-10-12, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by Crow

I'll have to visit Detroit sometime... I'm a bit of an extreme tourist; I might as well live life on the edge!

Thanks for leaving WA out of this :^)

Man....too many pot fairies in WA to be Detroit.... :-)

Throw a little corn mash and systemic greed into the mix (thanks Lx for pointing out my oversight).....and you might just make the cut......but for now we are looking for more than general paranoia and pissedness that someone is boagarting the joint...... :-)

**Dirty Hippy** · 10-10-12, 04:44 AM

Dog, you are correct. As I stated above the reason that Detroit, Flint and Saginaw are so depressed is because the corporations did not give a single **** about their workforce. The main jobs in these two town's were the automotive sector. Guess what happens when the main job creator in the area vanishes? You have giant Ghettos. To those of you who have not been to these places....you would honestly think you are visiting a third world country.

Guess what, this graphic is not photoshopped....

**lxskllr** · 10-10-12, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Hippy

When you see a former automobile factory worker go bankrupt, starve or commit suicide. Perhaps you will understand that it WAS the corporations fault and not the fact that no one buys American....

Companies deliver what people want, and people want cheap. For the automotive industry, I'll give you the corporate mismanagement. They were used to being #1, and didn't innovate. The Japanese came in and made cars that weren't garbage, while the Americans kept using 1950s tech. When the gas prices went up, GMs answer was putting a 59 BelAir into a Datsun body. The results were as expected.

Aside from the automotive industry, most people don't need to look farther than the mirror to see what the problem is. They value price over quality, so that's what they got, cheap prices, and unemployment lines.

**Bigblue1** · 10-10-12, 05:22 AM

Maybe LX put it wrong. We are willing to buy an American name at this point so long as it is cheap. It isn't as tho Americans said screw their neighbor first but most likely got screwed first. Keep up with me here. As Jobs that weren't union got more prevalent and wages went down in general and the unions still had massive swing the unions were able to keep wages and benies good while others in this country were taking it on the chin. When the products made by these union workers became cost prohibitive by their non union counterparts things became untenable in that dichotomy. Then said unions held their ground even harder till all hell broke loose. This kinda thing is happening all over the job landscape at this point. Whether it be public or private sector. All the while you have the politicians taking advantage of it. You see they look at things a lot deeper and know the socio-economics of it all. It also doesn't help that most unions are nothing more than a corporate structure or pyramid scheme when it comes to dues anymore. Unions have far outlasted their usefulness at this point but the top will continue to suck off the bottom just like a corporation. The only difference is the corporation can move and lose the union all-together often to the betterment of the bottom line and ceo's pocketbooks. I'm not against organizing and getting together to make things better but when you have heads of unions still making buckets of cash off of an ever dwindling membership base and not doing anything about it but saying it's the corporations we can't make them not move. then You have to ask yourself as a dues paying member why Am I paying you? And it all really comes down to Nafta and before that Gatt. Look these things up and realize that your union supporting politicians have sold you and the rest of the country down the river quite awhile ago. Things will never get better from this point on. The country has a bigger deficit than GDP. The Fed wants to buy all Mortgage backed securities without any investment than put it back into derivatives. This is infinite QE and is untenable. I'm sorry folks if your living decent right now with exorbitant taxation and maybe hanging on to a decent job probably in construction or tech. 1st off why do you think they don't care about the immigration issue. I see more Mexicans hanging drywall than any other nationality. Paintings going the same way. Kitchens have been dominated for a couple decades. It's all about lowering wages. My point is it's not just the jobs moving it's about people moving in. I'm sorry for your friends and Family DH but this stuff has been happening in this country for 20 yrs and now the Unions are getting a piece and their killing themselves because they can no longer live the way their used to. Sad.
You can thank your union loving democrats for Gatt and Nafta and your corrupt Union officials who are living as good as the corporate big boys. Remember I See thing clearly and dropped all affiliations political, religious, working relationships. My suggestion to your friends and Family Adapt to the current model or suffer........

**Roo** · 10-10-12, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Snusdog

make China play fair before she enters the market with her goods..........and cheap labor and big profit margins disappear.........and with them also disappears all the reasons that motivated companies to move their production overseas

"Overseas" is much broader than China, Dog. Notice that most of your new clothing is now made in Bangladesh, Mauritius, Mauritania, Pakistan. Where will it be made in 20 years? China has unloaded literally hundreds of billions of dollars into African infrastructure over the past decade in order to extract minerals for the most part. Those same roads and railways and ports are soon going to transport more than just minerals. Look what happened in Japan and Taiwan. 20-30 years ago everything was made in Japan and Taiwan, and then South Korea. Now it's Japanese, Taiwanese, and S. Korean firms manufacturing in China on behalf of multinational corporations. When the emerging middle class has taken a very firm root in China as it has in the other 3 aforementioned East Asian nations, it will be Chinese firms manufacturing in Africa on behalf of all of us. Places like Angola and Zambia. The shortage of cheap labor and big profit margins won't be seen by anyone in many generations to come, if ever.

**lxskllr** · 10-10-12, 05:34 AM

Yea Blue, It's all more complicated than can be put in a forum post. It would take a book at least to chase down the problems. I'm really ambivalent regarding unions. Even today, they can serve a useful purpose, but greed gets in the way. Regardless of how the company/economy are doing, cuts are never acceptable to the unions. On the other end, people are getting laid off while corporate officers are raking in cash. It's greed all around. The current capitalist system is broken, and unsustainable. It can only be fixed from the bottom up, but people can't see the forest for the trees. It'll get corrected eventually, but nobody's gonna like the correction. We're starting to see it with unpredictable weather, and water shortages. Wait until China and India really start cranking up, and things will get very bad indeed...

Visit Detroit at your own risk, police union warns!

Visit Detroit at your own risk, police union warns!

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