E-meth

[thegameisover2k2]

since they have a e-cig to help out smokers...whats next... an e-crackpipe. All the effrlects of meth without the harmful smoke lol. Or an e-joint...

[precious007]

since they have a e-cig to help out smokers...whats next... an e-crackpipe. All the effrlects of meth without the harmful smoke lol. Or an e-joint...

lol, probably e-crackpipe and e-joint but they'll be sold at the corner of the street

[Joe234]

The principle of an e-joint is found in a better
device called a vape.

[BadAxe]

Actually there are 2 or 3 e-joints on the market now. One is actually hash oil in a cartridge and the makers claim each cartridge give 100 hits. lol. I think you can only get them in medically legal states from dispensaries, but the e-pot cig is actually already here. I think the one is called The Trippy Stick. lol

[sgreger1]

The difference with something like tobaco or marijuana is that the active ingredient (nic or THC) becomes a gas at a lower temperature than whatever medium it is delivered from (i.e. the leaves of the tobaco or the buds fo the MJ plant). For example, THC turns to a vapor at a lower temperature than plant matter combusts, hence a vaporizer can extract the THC without burning the plant matter and causing harmfull smoke. The problem with crack or methamphetamine is that there is not really any medium holding them, the drug itself is condensed and then turned to vapor by heating it to a certain temp. The entire rock is the "active ingredient" so to say.

Also the level of adulterants in street drugs varies in type and volume so even if you could melt off the "real" crack from whatever it is cut with, you would have to know what the adulterant is and what it's temperature threshold is so that you would know what temperature to heat it to in order to extract the "real" crack from it. Also, the crack would have to have a lower melting point than whatever the adulterant is, otherwise it wouldn't work since it would burn off the adulterant before igniting the "real" crack. Even fi you did have all of this, the drug and it's level (and type) of adulterants would have to be consistent. I.e. it would always have to be cut with baby asperin and always at a ratio of 1:3 or something. If one batch is cut instead with a laxetive at a ratio of 20:5 than it wouldn't work in the same e-cig device since it would require different temperatures.

In addition to that, the active ingredients in crack or meth are harmful stimulants so there is no way to extract it "without all the harmfull x,y,z". The active ingredient itself is harmful. With marijuana, THC isn't harmful, and with e-cigs, the nicotene isn't harmfull (though the jury is still out on whether or not this is actually true).

If you were to devise such a device however, meth would make a better e-cig because it is usually oil based and can be heated to vapor, then cooled, then reheated, so a few rocks in a chamber could be constantly heated and reheated until it is exhausted and can then be replaced. Then again, this would not have any added benefit to just smoking meth in the traditional way, since an oil burner (meth pipe) already serves as an e-cig. You roll the solid back and forth in a glass pipe while heating it until there is a vapor. The vapor is then smoked and leaves behind the ingredients which have a higher boiling point. So you are already extracting the "active ingredient" while leaving behind (some) of the other parts. That is unless you could get commercial grade meth that was purer, but then you would have more people dying because just like heroin the purer it is, the most likely it is to overdose.

[Ansel]

anyone know what happens if you vape coca leaves?

[sgreger1]

anyone know what happens if you vape coca leaves?

Probably not a whole lot. Cocain is like taking a room full of coca leaves and condensing them into a fine poweder after extracting their main ingedients. Smoking a cigarette sized quantity of coca leaves would maybe make you feel mildly good, just like chewing on them, but wouldn't really do anything similar to what cocaine does. Chewing on coca leaves is actually healthy for you and gives you a little pick me up, nothing like snorting refined cocain powder.

[Ansel]

Probably not a whole lot. Cocain is like taking a room full of coca leaves and condensing them into a fine poweder after extracting their main ingedients. Smoking a cigarette sized quantity of coca leaves would maybe make you feel mildly good, just like chewing on them, but wouldn't really do anything similar to what cocaine does. Chewing on coca leaves is actually healthy for you and gives you a little pick me up, nothing like snorting refined cocain powder.

Yeah i'm not looking for the effects of cocaine. Just the effects akin to drinking coca tea would be great.

[sgreger1]

Yeah i'm not looking for the effects of cocaine. Just the effects akin to drinking coca tea would be great.

I personally would love to be able ot chew coca leaves, just so see what it's all about. People in some countries have been chewin on it for 10k years or more. Apparently it is healthy and gives a little pep in your step. Apparently you do it just like redman chew and just stuff a grip of leaves into your chaw and occasionally squeeze for the juices or something. I am sure you could grow some in your back yard without it being a huge deal honestly. I know people who grow opium poppies, which is legal to do if the plants are for decoration. But if they catch you harvesting the flowers in any way it is a really big crime apparently, since they assume you are cultivating them for heroin production. I would not recommend setting up a 20 plant hydroponic farm in your basement or anything lol.

And can you make coca leaf tea? I imagine that would be great in the morning, if mixed with some green tea or something. Oh well, police state says it's a no go.

[desirexe]

Just an fyi..you can get de-cocainized coca tea & leaves & flour online at a very popular website named after a river. They will supposedely still make you pee hot for a test but contain no cocaine alkaloids or maybe only minute traces. Anyway..the tea is pretty gross imho, tastes/smells like dirty socks. BUT it is a great pick-me-up and will give your mouth a very slight numbing sensation. Best part..the non-jittery energy only lasts for a couple hours which makes it a great evening drink..you will still be able to fall asleep at a decent hour. It's expensive but worth it

[sgreger1]

Just an fyi..you can get de-cocainized coca tea & leaves & flour online at a very popular website named after a river. They will supposedely still make you pee hot for a test but contain no cocaine alkaloids or maybe only minute traces. Anyway..the tea is pretty gross imho, tastes/smells like dirty socks. BUT it is a great pick-me-up and will give your mouth a very slight numbing sensation. Best part..the non-jittery energy only lasts for a couple hours which makes it a great evening drink..you will still be able to fall asleep at a decent hour. It's expensive but worth it

Really? Wow that sounds cool. So there has to be at least a decent amount if you feel the stimulant and numbing effects. That's pretty cool though. reminds me of this thing I bought one time from some herbal website that started with an "s". It wa sa white powder you mix into tea and pretty much did the same thing lol.

[Roo]

Mate de coca is great. I have a Peruvian friend who has given me bags in the past.

Desirexe: how is "de-cocainized" coca tea a pick-me-up? Maybe I missed something.

edit: just read the thread -- sgreger, yeah coca tea is hugely popular in Peru, Bolivia, etc. Mate de Coca. It tastes quite good and as for the effects, it's not any kind of big deal. In fact I believe you can order limited quantities of it online from the USA or bring up to 2 boxes of tea bags through US customs. Don't quote me on that. And not "de-cocainized". As you mentioned it takes loads of leaves to make 1 line or whatever. Tons and tons of coca leaves are shipped to a plant in NJ, where the cocaine alkaloids are extracted for pharmaceutical purposes, and the de-cocainized leaves are made into a syrup for the Coca Cola company. This is not an urban myth, look it up. They still use coca leaves, just deactivated.

[Crow]

Mate de coca is great. I have a Peruvian friend who has given me bags in the past.

This brand is pretty good... It's also available in different flavors (anise, chamomile, eucalyptus, etc).

Here's an interesting tidbit: The US Embassy in Bolivia recommends coca tea to treat altitude sickness.

[desirexe]

Mate de coca is great. I have a Peruvian friend who has given me bags in the past.

Desirexe: how is "de-cocainized" coca tea a pick-me-up? Maybe I missed something.

I have no idea how it is energizing & numbing..Sounds like de-cocainized is the same as decaf coffee..just a trace amount must remain after the entire de-coke process. I am not crazy and imagining these effects..I'll prove it and bring you a mug! Hahaha!!

[sgreger1]

Mate de coca is great. I have a Peruvian friend who has given me bags in the past.

Desirexe: how is "de-cocainized" coca tea a pick-me-up? Maybe I missed something.

edit: just read the thread -- sgreger, yeah coca tea is hugely popular in Peru, Bolivia, etc. Mate de Coca. It tastes quite good and as for the effects, it's not any kind of big deal. In fact I believe you can order limited quantities of it online from the USA or bring up to 2 boxes of tea bags through US customs. Don't quote me on that. And not "de-cocainized". As you mentioned it takes loads of leaves to make 1 line or whatever. Tons and tons of coca leaves are shipped to a plant in NJ, where the cocaine alkaloids are extracted for pharmaceutical purposes, and the de-cocainized leaves are made into a syrup for the Coca Cola company. This is not an urban myth, look it up. They still use coca leaves, just deactivated.

I was aware ofboth the facility that imports coca leaves and extracts it's active ingredients for medical purposes, and the fact that coca cola still uses coca leaves, but I had no idea they sold it as a tea too. I would love to try some, everyone on line says it is a good alternative to coffee. Caffeine and me havn't been getting along lately. Is there any pick me up similar to caffein? Or do they really take ALL of the good part out?