Why GNU/Linux Rocks

[devilock76]

Ubuntu 10.04 is still on E16, and Debian stable /may/ be. I installed E17 on sid, so I don't know about the other versions.

It feels like E17 will never mak stable, it has been beta for almost 7 years. Still it is worlds different than 16 and by that I mean worlds better.

If one prefers deb/ubuntu I believe Linux Mint has a good E17 implementation in its repos.

Ken

[lxskllr]

Pretty sure the enlightenment in the Fedora repos is actually E16 not E17 which is still technially beta i think. Come to think of it E17 might be in the Aur for Arch not the main repo.

Ken

Ubuntu 10.04 is still on E16, and Debian stable /may/ be. I installed E17 on sid, so I don't know about the other versions.

[devilock76]

Pretty sure the enlightenment in the Fedora repos is actually E16 not E17 which is still technially beta i think. Come to think of it E17 might be in the Aur for Arch not the main repo.

Ken

[shikitohno]

Just search for either e17 or enlightenment, sgreger. It's one of those two, it installed with no issues for me in the past through yum. My personal preference for window managers runs i3 > ratpoison > evilwm, at the moment. If you thought gnome was already clean with little extra crap to remove, check out this though: That's i3 in tabbed mode. Normally I like running it stacked, but lately I've been enjoying tabbed for the nice screen conservation it lets you have, basically giving everything the most space it can. Pretty much everything is keyboard driven, so you don't really need to use the mouse ever if you don't want to.

As for shells, I do like zsh. That said, it's not a huge improvement over bash unless you're a real hardcore power user, in my opinion. It does some things, like tab completion, slightly better. For example, if you hit tab and there's multiple ways to complete it, zsh will give you a list of all possibilities right away, rather than bash where you need to hit tab twice. If you enter a directory path with no name, zsh will automatically switch to it like you'd typed cd. It's also got improved aliasing features. It's a lot of little nice things that can be cool, but I don't know if I'd say I consider it a big enough gain the you really have to switch.

It can be cool to learn and become proficient in the various shells. As long as a shell has a vi mode, I'm cool with it, though.

[devilock76]

Ok did a quick vnc session. Under the menu you get when you click there should be an item that says fluxbox menu uner that tools under that regen menu. Run that, give it a few seconds to finish and much more should be there. Check out the files you can config in you home directoy under .fluxbox. Oh and install conky and find a config file on the web where you get your system info box fromconky as an embedded wallpaper item. Fluxbox is very useful even on a high horsepower system for things like usin the co puter overa vnc connection.

Ken

[devilock76]

Really? SO I can't even install e17 on Fedora? Nah **** that, i'm going to make it my mission tonight, there has to be a way.

That is not what I said, you can it just won't be simple...

[devilock76]

Yah I gathered that. So you have to manually set up each window via a config file I am guessing? I will have to play around with it more later after reading up a bit on it. People seems to love it. Apparently it's great for it's shortcuts to the point where you don't even really need to use a mouse if you didn't want to. I love shortcuts so that's pretty cool.

Not at all. For starters you probably need to refresh the menu in flux box. Forget specific menu tree but it should be in the system or config menu even in a fresh install. Sorry typing from my android tablet so I cannot double check that right now.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Arch is one of the only distros I have personally seen that can install e17 simply and work.

Ken

Really? SO I can't even install e17 on Fedora? Nah **** that, i'm going to make it my mission tonight, there has to be a way.

[sgreger1]

Right click...

Yah I gathered that. So you have to manually set up each window via a config file I am guessing? I will have to play around with it more later after reading up a bit on it. People seems to love it. Apparently it's great for it's shortcuts to the point where you don't even really need to use a mouse if you didn't want to. I love shortcuts so that's pretty cool.

[devilock76]

1) Yah it's the one where you right click and can custom set everything up. I don't really need that kind of functionality right now, if I were running on a slower system maybe.

2) It is completely awesome that I can switch them out. This whole experience is blowing my mind. It's like I've unplugged from the Matrix and some black guy with sunglasses is making me take pills and shit. I can't believe how much better Linux is. I am installing Fedora on my mom's laptop tonight because her Win7 gives her too many problems, it's too slow for her laptop and always bugs out.

The powerof fluxbox is being able to config everything from a couple of simpletext files in your home directory and easily associate all windows actions wit keyboard shortcuts.

Ken

[devilock76]

Damn, still can't install E17 after all.

Does anyone feel like telling me which commands to run here? I ran the automated script but it said it couldn't find a bunch of shit. If anyone has gotten E17 running, lemme know how to do it, it looks like the best one of the bunch.

Arch is one of the only distros I have personally seen that can install e17 simply and work.

Ken

[devilock76]

So i've tried out Xfce and Fluxbox, Xfce is actually pretty awesome. Very much like Windows. I am going to stick with Gnome since it is more simple but Xfce looks very feature rich and awesome. Fluxbox was, well, I didn't know what the **** to do with the blank screen. It took 15 min to figure out how to log out.

Right click...

[lxskllr]

Damn, still can't install E17 after all.

Does anyone feel like telling me which commands to run here? I ran the automated script but it said it couldn't find a bunch of shit. If anyone has gotten E17 running, lemme know how to do it, it looks like the best one of the bunch.

I don't know. It just works in Debian. Everything's pretty much ready to go out of the box.

[sgreger1]

Damn, still can't install E17 after all.

Does anyone feel like telling me which commands to run here? I ran the automated script but it said it couldn't find a bunch of shit. If anyone has gotten E17 running, lemme know how to do it, it looks like the best one of the bunch.

[sgreger1]

I don't know if I've used FluxBox. Is that one where you right click the desktop to get a menu? Many of the window managers work that way.

Even if you don't find something you like as well as Gnome, isn't it cool you can do this? You can change your desktop experience 100% in a minute, and revert it non-destructively just as quick. It's like having an infinite amount of O/Ss at your fingertips :^)

1) Yah it's the one where you right click and can custom set everything up. I don't really need that kind of functionality right now, if I were running on a slower system maybe.

2) It is completely awesome that I can switch them out. This whole experience is blowing my mind. It's like I've unplugged from the Matrix and some black guy with sunglasses is making me take pills and shit. I can't believe how much better Linux is. I am installing Fedora on my mom's laptop tonight because her Win7 gives her too many problems, it's too slow for her laptop and always bugs out.