better think twice about those torrents

[lxskllr]

Touring is expensive, and up until the prices went through the roof for concert tickets was not a profitable venture. Major label acts had to do that though because of people downloading.

Bands have never made real money from recordings. Touring and merchandise has ALWAYS been where the money comes from. Bands aren't touring any more or less than they ever have. If they want to make money, they tour. Otherwise, they don't.

[truthwolf1]

Touring is expensive, and up until the prices went through the roof for concert tickets was not a profitable venture. Major label acts had to do that though because of people downloading. Yeah most new stuff is garbage. Don't buy it or download it. But if you think something is really good you should support it, and in business, and music is a business, support means money. Some more established artists have given away newer albums. But they were in the fiscal position to do so and that business model has not been proven to lead to back catalog sales or more concert ticket sales, yet.

Independent bands, when they tour typically their biggest profit is the merch table unless they are a band that does a whole night of music mixing crowd pleasing covers with their originals. In those cases those bands tend to get paid better by the establishment they are playing at.

Ken

Hey, I have two full boxes CD's I purchased for no less then 10 a piece back in the day. I put them all on the computer as others and shared.

As far as I am concerned I am sharing music with friends. This could apply to movies, games, images etc...

If I have a collection of VHS movies and a friend asks to borrow one, do I reply you cannot watch it because it is illegal because you have not purchased the right to.

The whole argument is ridiculous in todays wired society.

[lxskllr]

" C'mon, you are just trying to justify what you are doing because you know it's wrong.

That's about the 4th time you've accused me of violating copyright, without any evidence of anything one way or the other. Here's a tip for you champ; most of what I watch and listen to was made before your parents were born. Otherwise, I have about 35 years of music collecting that I'm pretty sure is worth more than your car is. I could hardly give a shit less about movies made in the last 50 years, and my software is almost 100% libre. The last proprietary software I ACQUIRED was the the deluxe set of Bioshock2, and I paid quite a bit for it.

I support many causes that don't have much to do with me. You might want to think twice about slinging accusations around ;^)

[TheJanitor]

Yeah, I download torrents, and yeah, it's stealing. I don't try to justify it, because you can't. I do it because it's easy and there is little chance of getting caught. To paraphrase the Best Buy argument, it's like if Best Buy had all their good shit set up outside the front door, with nobody and no cameras watching.

[AtreyuKun]

wait.. We can download snus? Where!?

Rather that get into that right here. Walls have eyes and shit. Know whatta mean Vern?

[Ansel]

I've spent thousands on second-hand records - i'm guessing not a cent of this goes to the artist.

[Frosted]

What are the laws and viewpoints on streaming movies?

[timholian]

I fail to see how me downloading ancient episodes of You Can't Do That On Television hurts anyone. Think I would buy them on DVD if they were available? Damn sure would! But it isn't so download I go.
I support those people I believe in. My friend Alu in LA, buying her shit. Well, I'm buying her CD's actually, not her shit. The guys at Famicom Dojo, I bought their DVD. GN? I'm supporting him by not buying General.
90% of my favorite stuff are the things nobody has heard of or cares about. Those are the people who get my money.

You Can't Do That On Television FTMFW

I download shit I can't buy.....
I download shit to check it out BEFORE I BUY...

I have waaaaaaaay too many DVDs and Bluray. Lmao

My 2¢ is most of the shit people download illegally will be deleted, (although, music may be different) and although you can download HD movies the time and space doesn't make sence for a good portion of downloaders.

You can feel sorry for the industry all you want.... But the are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

The end

[badlands]

The big media execs robbed me for years. If piracy was hurting their bottom line so much then why have they not cut production a little? They say: "you wouldn't download a car?!" I say: "yes, yes I would". Maybe I'm just a shady bastard. Also anyone with half a brain can keep comcast or any other ISP from knowing if they are downloading copyrighted material.

[devilock76]

Bands have never made real money from recordings. Touring and merchandise has ALWAYS been where the money comes from. Bands aren't touring any more or less than they ever have. If they want to make money, they tour. Otherwise, they don't.

That is wrong. Bands have made plenty in the past from selling records, hence why anyone ever cared about a platinum or gold record. Especially once they were superstars. Plus they get paid for airplay of it but that is another matter. Comercial usage, etc. For a successful song the publishing rights can be a huge deal. The original intent of touring was before there was machine wide mass media and networking like we have today was to boost album sales in the markets the band was touring in, that was it. Ticket prices were designed to try to make the expenses of touring net out to not be a loss that offset the sales profits from album sales.

I actually took music business and law in college. I still have the outdated course book, but we had extensive discussions about this old model as it was just at the cusp of everything changing in light of the internet. mp3.com would go online the same year I finished that class.

Ken

[devilock76]

Hey, I have two full boxes CD's I purchased for no less then 10 a piece back in the day. I put them all on the computer as others and shared.

As far as I am concerned I am sharing music with friends. This could apply to movies, games, images etc...

If I have a collection of VHS movies and a friend asks to borrow one, do I reply you cannot watch it because it is illegal because you have not purchased the right to.

The whole argument is ridiculous in todays wired society.

That sharing is what is actually illegal though, not the copying. You could just google copyright infringement and see what the LOC has to say to define it.

[devilock76]

Yeah, I download torrents, and yeah, it's stealing. I don't try to justify it, because you can't. I do it because it's easy and there is little chance of getting caught. To paraphrase the Best Buy argument, it's like if Best Buy had all their good shit set up outside the front door, with nobody and no cameras watching.

Would you rape and murder if there was no chance of getting caught. How about getting someone fired illegally. Keep stealing in your hyperbole situation and in hyperbole response that Best Buy closes and lays everyone who works there off.

Ken

[devilock76]

I've spent thousands on second-hand records - i'm guessing not a cent of this goes to the artist.

No it doesn't, and that has always been a loophole in the copyright. One they have tried to shore up in the past. The target then was the used cd stores.

Ken

[lxskllr]

That is wrong. Bands have made plenty in the past from selling records, hence why anyone ever cared about a platinum or gold record. Especially once they were superstars. Plus they get paid for airplay of it but that is another matter. Comercial usage, etc. For a successful song the publishing rights can be a huge deal. The original intent of touring was before there was machine wide mass media and networking like we have today was to boost album sales in the markets the band was touring in, that was it. Ticket prices were designed to try to make the expenses of touring net out to not be a loss that offset the sales profits from album sales.

I actually took music business and law in college. I still have the outdated course book, but we had extensive discussions about this old model as it was just at the cusp of everything changing in light of the internet. mp3.com would go online the same year I finished that class.

Ken

A band makes about $1 per album. Best case scenario is a power trio, where everyone makes 33¢ per album. Duke Ellington orchestra? Yea, right :^D

[devilock76]

A band makes about $1 per album. Best case scenario is a power trio, where everyone makes 33¢ per album. Duke Ellington orchestra? Yea, right :^D

And if they sell 300,000 records per year. Plus advances on the next record, plus commercial use of a hit song. It is all part of the pie, but it used to be that for a superstar the album sales were the biggest chunk. Incidentally $1 an album is a typical new artists rate. If you figure in the fact that they probably got an advance from the record company and have to pay a manager and what not, well if people don't buy that music it is unlikely that artist will ever get another shot than that first album. There are rare exceptions. The Doors for one, but they also switched labels.

Ken