Welcome to Sweden of Today

[Hanske]

There is no powerty in Sweden . Danish and Norwegian has far more biger problem With emigration issue Stocholm is safe 100% Malmö ... Malmö could be better. When you say förorter you mean Rinkeby , Fitja only two places But in Stockholm livs 2 000 000 people

Together with countries like Norway, Denmark, Germany, Canada and the US, Sweden doesn't have poverty like countries in Asia and Africa, but they have relative poverty. That means that you are able to buy what you need, but you don't have as much money as other people in your country. Denmark and Norway doesn't have a problem with immigration.
In a period in the 1990-2000's, Sweden accepted more immigrants than the rest of Europe combined.

"Immigrants are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. During the period 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were committed by people born overseas, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background. Those from North Africa and the Middle East were overrepresented".


"Out of 100,000 inhabitants, 79 lived in prison facilities in 2001, which is a bit higher than other Scandinavian countries."

"In the late 1990s a certain crime drew the attention of media: muggings among youths. Certain groups put the blame upon immigrants due to their increased rates during those years, even though numbers had been dropping since 1994, yet with the original immigrants remaining in Sweden. Some areas that (sometimes unfairly) came to define the situation in respective cities were Bergsjön in Göteborg; Rinkeby in Stockholm; and Rosengård in Malmö.

These areas with their (relatively) low socioeconomic standard and high unemployment led to segregation. At the same time the rate of foreigner-related crimes were reported as being at a significant level for Swedish standards but low in comparison with the rest of the world. The truth of this was much disputed in the Swedish media with opponents maintaining claims to be the result of xenophobia, hostility and misunderstanding, while others have criticized the media for not reporting on immigrant crimes.

A study was eventually called for and published in 2000 by the National Council for Crime Prevention.[10] Of teenagers in 9th grade, 10% of boys and 5% of girls had been the target of muggings during the previous 2 years. The rates of gymnasium students were about the same. 10% of boys and 5% of girls questioned admitted having mugged someone.

Desirable objects are mainly money (35%) and cell phones (34%). The average value of stolen items were around 700 Swedish kronor (~90 US$).

Juvenile robberies reported to the police annually.
Town 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999, Jan. – June
Malmö 53 58 170 210 196
Stockholm 569 411 709 682 613

The same study also showed that only about 50% of the muggings were reported to police."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

EDIT:

Norway -

"I levekårsundersøkelsen for 2007 rapporterte rundt 5,5 prosent av befolkningen over 15 år å ha blitt utsatt for vold eller trusler det siste året, og drøyt 10 prosent for tyveri eller skadeverk. Nivået er relativt stabilt i forhold til de foregående 25 årene med slike undersøkelser. 3,6 prosent av befolkningen ble utsatt for noen av de nærmere 400 000 lovbruddene registrert anmeldt av politiet samme år, først og fremst tyverier og andre vinningslovbrudd. Drapsratene i Norge har på 2000-tallet holdt seg i underkant av ett drap per 100 000 innbygger årlig, et av de laveste nivåene i verden.

Politiet i Norge har det første tiåret på 2000-tallet tatt rundt 80 000 enkeltpersoner hvert år på bakgrunn av de anmeldte lovbruddene, hvorav omtrent 60 prosent pleier å få et forelegg (bot) og nærmere 30 prosent ender med å bli tiltalt for en domstol. Den vanligste årsaken til både bøtelegging og fengsling som straff i Norge er trafikklovbrudd, men dette er ikke lovbrudd som gir de strengeste straffene.

Ifølge tilbakefallsundersøkelser blir omtrent halvparten av de 80 000 tatt på nytt igjen av politiet i løpet av de påfølgende fem årene. Undersøkelser over lengre tid viser blant annet at en tredel av alle gutter i Norge av et bestemt årskull ble tatt av politiet en eller annen gang fra 15- til 25-årsalderen. De fleste blir imidlertid aldri registrert av politiet som gjerningspersoner, og av de som blir det ligger hovedvekten av lovbruddene på noe få (under 5 prosent av befolkningen) som oftest unge og hovedsakelig menn.

Av de i gjennomsnitt rundt 3 400 personene som satt i fengsel i Norge i 2009 hadde nærmere 30 prosent et narkotikalovbrudd som det alvorligste lovbruddet, fulgt av vinningslovbrudd og vold som de nest største gruppene, begge på over 20 prosent."

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krimina...alitet_i_Norge

It's here sayd that there was reported 1, 250 000 crimes in Sweden last year, and 400 000 in Norway. Sweden's population is 9-10 million, while Norway's population is 4,9 million. So there's more in Sweden..

[justintempler]

If I am correct in my assumption...

Norway has extensive reserves of petroleum, natural gas, minerals, lumber, seafood, fresh water, and hydropower. It is the world's largest producer of oil and natural gas per capita outside of the Middle East, and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of the Gross domestic product. The country maintains a Scandinavian welfare model with universal health-care, subsidized higher education, and a comprehensive social security system. From 2001 to 2007, and then again in 2009 and 2010, Norway had the highest human development in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

Norway has a distinct advantage, it uses the income derived from its natural resources to pay for its social welfare programs. It doesn't have to resort to immigration to fund those programs.
It's not that Sweden is doing anything "wrong", Sweden doesn't have those advantages derived from natural resources, hence more immigration, hence higher levels of crime from immigrants.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

80% of salary till Death when retyered.
For each baby monthly money till 16 years of age
Most holidays in World if i am not wrong .
Highest standard of edukation no money.
Medicin for free.
Medical preparats for free.

And you say poverty ? You compare Sweden to Germany Canada Thank you That you did not compeared Sweden to Chad. Danmark only on the streets you see more foreigners then in Stockholm In Sweden Thanks to God is more children borning Of " Swedish etnicety" then in Germany per capita.
Listen i am not seing that Sweden succided With emigration policy what i am saing is Stockholm much safer then Kopenhagen and Hamburg togeather.
Now about Norway everithing is Great nature, oil , fish , people but Norway even Do not have normal highways, maybe Norway has Car industry or maybe Norway makes Plains or Maiby Astra Zeneca is norwigean or Ericcson?
Sweden Do not need emigration what Sweden needs is to be clear ; you came to Our country then Respect valius of this country. And you are right Sweden took to much emmigrants and People like Mona Sahlin and others just were to leftist to handle With that issue
And the last thing
Astra Zeneca Seils to USA only one medicin losec for hondreds of millions dollers.( and other countrys as well)
Ericcson going to fix Chinis telecomunications worth bilions.
Skania Swedish Company germans could not by even theyr goverment did everithin to get that Swedish Company but Swedish SEB owns second largest bank in Germany
I am not mantioning ABB
So Do not compere to Other EU countrys please been There done That .

[EricHill78]

GN first I was thinking you meant compare Sweden to Chad.. as in Chadizzy lmao. I was going to say Chad isnt ghetto! Then I started to remember Geography is school. Oh thats right Chad is a country as well lol. Made myself laugh. Carry on

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

GN first I was thinking you meant compare Sweden to Chad.. as in Chadizzy lmao. I was going to say Chad isnt ghetto! Then I started to remember Geography is school. Oh thats right Chad is a country as well lol. Made myself laugh. Carry on

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[whalen]

Change Sweden to Arizona, change Muslim to Mexican, Racism doesn't change.

[c.nash]

Lets all just invade Sweden! :P

[Hanske]

80% of salary till Death when retyered.
For each baby monthly money till 16 years of age
Most holidays in World if i am not wrong .
Highest standard of edukation no money.
Medicin for free.
Medical preparats for free.

- In Norway, the government takes 2,5% of your salary every month, to pay for your pension. You can also save in banks. In addition, we have the oil fund, which pays the rest. Your pension will be 75-90% of your income when you were working.
- State-payed child support of 1000 NOK per child until 18 years of age.
- You have the right to have 25 holidays a year, plus one day a week and official holidays.
- Free education until finished high school. Cheapest universities in the world. But the standards on the education is about the same in Norway and Sweden. Iceland and Denmark is worse, and Finland is better.
- Free medicines until you're 18. If you have a cronic disease (like migraine), you'll get it for free all your life.
- So you get aspirin for free? I doubt that.

And you say poverty ? You compare Sweden to Germany Canada Thank you That you did not compeared Sweden to Chad. Danmark only on the streets you see more foreigners then in Stockholm In Sweden Thanks to God is more children borning Of " Swedish etnicety" then in Germany per capita.
Listen i am not seing that Sweden succided With emigration policy what i am saing is Stockholm much safer then Kopenhagen and Hamburg togeather.

I haven't said Stockholm is bad. I said you should stay out of its bad areas. The "förorter". We don't have such places in Norway. But walking around Gamla Stan etc is very nice. Although, I'd say Helsinki and Oslo is safer than Stockholm. Stockholm's got 2 000 000 inhabitants. Oslo's got 1 400 000. There is a difference, but the difference in the crime rate is bigger.

[Hanske]

Now about Norway everithing is Great nature, oil , fish , people but Norway even Do not have normal highways, maybe Norway has Car industry or maybe Norway makes Plains or Maiby Astra Zeneca is norwigean or Ericcson?

Yes, we have great nature, oil, gas, fish and some people as well By capita, Norway has the fourth most motorways in Europe. Oslo and Sweden is connected by motorway, and they've recently started building Oslo-Kristiansand and Oslo-Trondheim. But the roads are normal single track roads. They're not bumpy, full of holes and slippery like in Russia. And we do have some car industry, like the el-car Think. We do not make plains, but we do make the world's leading missile. Astra Zeneca is Swedish-British, but we have Telenor (world's sixth largest telecom company. Bigger than AT&T and T-Mobile), we have Statkraft, Statoil and Hydro and many others.

EDIT: I should say they're finishing Oslo-Kristiansand and Oslo-Trondheim. 50% of the stretches are motorway.

Sweden Do not need emigration what Sweden needs is to be clear ; you came to Our country then Respect valius of this country. And you are right Sweden took to much emmigrants and People like Mona Sahlin and others just were to leftist to handle With that issue
And the last thing
Astra Zeneca Seils to USA only one medicin losec for hondreds of millions dollers.( and other countrys as well)
Ericcson going to fix Chinis telecomunications worth bilions.
Skania Swedish Company germans could not by even theyr goverment did everithin to get that Swedish Company but Swedish SEB owns second largest bank in Germany
I am not mantioning ABB
So Do not compere to Other EU countrys please been There done That .

So you say Sweden is the best country in the EU? I'd say Finland. In Europe, I'd say Norway.

You mention some big Swedish companies, right?
Have you heard of
- Telenor
- Canal Digital
- Norsk Hydro
- Yara
- Statoil

By the way, Statoil is the largest company in the Nordic countries. And you Swedes always say "Norway's got the oil". We don't use the money we get from the oil. They're saved in the oil fund. They increase its value by investing. That's why the oil fund owns 1,5% of all shares in the world. Each year, the Norwegian government can use 4% of the oil fund's interests. 4%. It's not much.

EDIT: We aren't going to agree on this. You say Sweden is best, I say Norway. When that's said, the UN says Norway is the best country to live in in the world. Sweden is number 9.

[ABW]

Change Sweden to Arizona, change Muslim to Mexican, Racism doesn't change.

Whatever...... That's just wrong...

[timholian]

Whatever...... That's just wrong...

I think you mistook what Whalen was trying to communicate. I believe he was calling it racist and drawing the parallel to the kinda recent rhetoric coming from SOME BUT NOT ALL Arizonians. (not a comment on the law or anything else )

And everyone knows Texas is the best country! )))))

[ABW]

I see both sides of this issue everyday.. Most of the people in Arizona are very kind and would give their shirt of their back to help out an "illegal". That being said, Everyday I see what the uncontrolled flow of illegal imagrantes is doing to our state. At some point you have to provide for the people that are here legally before everybody else. We have to fix what we have now before the system just breaks like it has in CA.

It has zero to do with racism and everything to do with proper and controlled growth. There is nothing wrong with that.. My father was born in Puerto Rico and my wife is a 1/4 native American and even I see the problem for what it is.. Calling people racist is just an easy excuse to muddy an already complex issue..

We love the colorful heritage we have here in AZ and we know it makes us who are but alas Arizonan's know what's best for Arizonan's...


PS- I am not upset at Whalen.. Everyone has a right their opinion and he sounds like a very caring individual..

[timholian]

ABW, I was referring to those that speak in extremes not normal folks with an opinion. You must admit there is a ton of hyperbole on this issue and again I am not talking about most folks just those that choose extremes on either side of the issue.

[ABW]

Got ya bud... No worries...

[truthwolf1]