On internet killswitches & why revolution is coming.

[sgreger1]

At the same time 4chan idiots getting raided by FBI for participating in LOIC: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/fbi-anonymous/

Lol, I know, they keep arresting 16 year old kids and shit.


As for who is going to come to power when this is all said and done, I am almost entirely sure it will be an anti-US regime. The muslim brotherhood REALLY wants to take control, and after the government falls the people will have to fight it out with the MB.

The dictator right now is pro-US, which is why Obama and them are supporting the egyptian government over the people, but I don't care. The people are taking what they want, and I support that, even if it is bad for my country. Citizens everywhere should be encouraged to speak out, even if it isn't in your personal best interest at the moment.

That is the problem with US foreign policy. We preach the spread of democracy, but we turn our heads the other way if it suites our immediate needs.

[truthwolf1]

Lol, I know, they keep arresting 16 year old kids and shit.


As for who is going to come to power when this is all said and done, I am almost entirely sure it will be an anti-US regime. The muslim brotherhood REALLY wants to take control, and after the government falls the people will have to fight it out with the MB.

The dictator right now is pro-US, which is why Obama and them are supporting the egyptian government over the people, but I don't care. The people are taking what they want, and I support that, even if it is bad for my country. Citizens everywhere should be encouraged to speak out, even if it isn't in your personal best interest at the moment.

That is the problem with US foreign policy. We preach the spread of democracy, but we turn our heads the other way if it suites our immediate needs.

A good uprising is needed once in awhile. My guess is there was rampant poverty and unemployment going on which means it was inevitable.

This could really effect the prices at the pump if this gets worse.

[internope]

I really doubt that a hard line Islamic state will take over, it is, hopefully going to be democratically elected government in 30 years, what we are seeing there now is a peoples uprising no main faction can dare claim ownership to the riot, it is from the people, by the people and to the people, hope the tyrant just go away, Saudi is waiting for him to join his buddy bin shame, it is a very dire situation and not only in Egypt, it is propagating into other autocracies in the Arab world, looks like the sleeping giant, the people, have woken up ... time will tell
The irony here, is our western governments have known what is happening there for a long time, why? "mutual interest" ??? how about human rights and basic principles of freedom and equality???

Just a few posts up you were dreaming about a revolution to overthrow our current democratically elected government. If you believe that democracy doesn't work in the USA why do you do think it will work any better in Egypt?

[sgreger1]

Just a few posts up you were dreaming about a revolution to overthrow our current democratically elected government. If you believe that democracy doesn't work in the USA why do you do think it will work any better in Egypt?

Yah, it is important to remember that Egypt had "democracy", until the dictator declared "emergency law" 32 years ago. He's been in power ever since. Democracy probably won't work any better the second time around. Especially with the muslim brotherhood in the region.


/So much for that.

[spirit72]

I said it on a previous topic, and I'll say it again here.

The Internet has changed absolutely everything. It's at least as big a game-changer as the printing press, and probably more so--because, despite the efforts of governments, it probably can never be truly controlled.

Expect to see much more of this, especially in the developing world.

[raptor]

I really don't think the masses would actively promote the Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt isn't rampantly Islamist like Pakistan). It is definitely a regional uprising given that protests are still ongoing in Tunisia, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

[raptor]

If I wanted to stop a revolution in the US, I'd leave the Internet up - maybe throw a "Free Steam Weekend". Definitely have the cable companies give free movie channels. Maybe offer free food at Taco Bell. Fund a nice sale at Walmart. etc.

That's already happening, but I guess that's the point you're making. Americans have too many comforts to keep them sated like mindless automatons.

[sgreger1]

I said it on a previous topic, and I'll say it again here.

The Internet has changed absolutely everything. It's at least as big a game-changer as the printing press, and probably more so--because, despite the efforts of governments, it probably can never be truly controlled.

Expect to see much more of this, especially in the developing world.

I agree. And the internet does more to promote democracy, tolerance, and understanding than any government ever has. Naturally this means we must shut it down or heavily censor/regulate it.


Also, your a bastard for stumbling across that awesome signature of yours before I thought of it!

[sgreger1]

You mean that at some point in the past you actually thought that if the president called the backbone providers that they wouldn't shut it all off anyway?

Or that we couldn't possibly send tanks and guys with guns to shut down the Internet? People like to posture and bluff, but when the guys with badges and guns show up at your data center and tell you to shut off the router - you shut off the router.

The whole "kill switch" thing is/was BS. All it takes for our government to shut off the Internet is the desire to do so.

Now, does it make sense?

Probably not usually. Look at Egypt.

Is it helping them? Probably not. Why? Because the point to stop the coordination was before the events. Now? They are probably coordinating by saying, "See you tomorrow".

If I wanted to stop a revolution in the US, I'd leave the Internet up - maybe throw a "Free Steam Weekend". Definitely have the cable companies give free movie channels. Maybe offer free food at Taco Bell. Fund a nice sale at Walmart. etc.

We know the gov could take things by force. No reason to make it easier for them by allowed them to assign new powers to themselves. Without an internet "killswitch" or whatever, ISP's could legally say no (though I doubt they would, ****ing tools), but now they have no way of saying no to the government.

If I wanted to stop a revolution in the US, I'd leave the Internet up - maybe throw a "Free Steam Weekend". Definitely have the cable companies give free movie channels. Maybe offer free food at Taco Bell. Fund a nice sale at Walmart. etc.

THIIIIIIS!
This is exactly why Americans DON'T overthrow our government, because why bother with that when steam is selling Half-Life 2 for $5 right now!


These govenments always mess it up by drawing attention to themselves for shutting down the internet. If turkey had done what you proposed, not a single drop of ink would have ever told of this story in any newspaper, and no rebellion would be occuring right now.

[raptor]

We know the gov could take things by force.

To be honest, the US is probably the last country in which widespread martial law would work.

[Maher]

Just a few posts up you were dreaming about a revolution to overthrow our current democratically elected government. If you believe that democracy doesn't work in the USA why do you do think it will work any better in Egypt?

I did not say that doesn't work in the US, it is democratic in all means. Egypt and other so called democracies are not, where did you get from my post that I say it did not work for the US?

[Maher]

did you guys listen to Mubarak speech, wow, reminds me of the days when the good old Sahaf, remember him, the Iraqi spokesman during the Iraq war? same rhetoric, pathetic !!!!

[sgreger1]

To be honest, the US is probably the last country in which widespread martial law would work.

I didn't even mean Martial law, just that ISP's would do what the government wants, even if it doesn't legally have to.

As far as martial law, this country was built in a way that marshal law would be sloppy to implement. You would have to get all 3 branches of government on the same page. Our powers are broken up too much for it to be likely, and even if they did all conspire together to impose martial law on everyone, I am confident that all those rednecks we've been riling up in Alabama will come to save the day

[sgreger1]

did you guys listen to Mubarak speech, wow, reminds me of the days when the good old Sahaf, remember him, the Iraqi spokesman during the Iraq war? same rhetoric, pathetic !!!!

I heard he was supposed to speak but then didn't show up, but that was hours ago. Did he make his speech? What did he say? I'm surprised he hasn't fled the country yet.

[raptor]

I heard he was supposed to speak but then didn't show up, but that was hours ago. Did he make his speech? What did he say? I'm surprised he hasn't fled the country yet.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...033802146.html

Sounds like he'll flush the toilet but himself remain.