Germany Is A Christian Nation

[NonServiam]

If I were running the show, I'd take a hardline stance against extremists. They could keep their burkhas, or whatever else they want, but any violence would be dealt with at the source. A car bomber came from a particular mosque? guess what, you just lost your mosque. It would be razed within a month. That might inspire them to keep a closer eye on their people. If that didn't work, I'd just expel them, but then any country I was running wouldn't be a democracy :^D

I bet you're a lot of fun in the board game RISK. lol

[lxskllr]

I bet you're a lot of fun in the board game RISK. lol

:^( I never played the game, so the reference is a bit lost on me. A quick wiki says that isn't how I'd run my country though. I'm not into imperialism. My borders would stay put, but they'd be quite strong. I'd be more like Switzerland, but more intensely nationalistic :^)

[NonServiam]

:^( I never played the game, so the reference is a bit lost on me. A quick wiki says that isn't how I'd run my country though. I'm not into imperialism. My borders would stay put, but they'd be quite strong. I'd be more like Switzerland, but more intensely nationalistic :^)

Well...you know what I was getting at! Fine... a board game (or online game these days) with an "intensely nationalistic" theme.

[devilock76]

If I were running the show, I'd take a hardline stance against extremists. They could keep their burkhas, or whatever else they want, but any violence would be dealt with at the source. A car bomber came from a particular mosque? guess what, you just lost your mosque. It would be razed within a month. That might inspire them to keep a closer eye on their people. If that didn't work, I'd just expel them, but then any country I was running wouldn't be a democracy :^D

So in short you have no problem punishing the many for the actions of a few? I am going to assume for a second, and forgive me if I am wrong, that you are a white male.

Predominantly most serial killers are white males. Perhaps we should lock them up.

Ken

[lxskllr]

So in short you have no problem punishing the many for the actions of a few? I am going to assume for a second, and forgive me if I am wrong, that you are a white male.

Predominantly most serial killers are white males. Perhaps we should lock them up.

Ken

Muslim extremism usually starts at the ground level, with the express, or implied blessing of their preachers(whatever they're called). The threat of taking down their temple should be incentive to keep their people in control, and the individuals would be less likely to engage in terrorism if it risks bringing ruin unto their own kind.

Edit:
for the record, that applies to any religious organization. I don't give a shit what you do, as long as you keep it to yourself. I'll just as quickly take down a Christian church for abortion bombing, or whatever.

[justintempler]

The problem Europe has is that many of the countries even though they no longer have state religions they still support some religions over others. Some countries use tax money to help keep the church in business.

Church and State Relationships in German “Public Benefit” Law

a couple highlights:

Jehovah’s Witnesses on the other hand, have been trying since the early 1990s to be recognised as a public law corporation and are still pursuing their case through the courts. Their long legal battle has been seen as a test case for applications from non-mainstream religions or sects. Following hearings in the lower courts, a Federal Administrative Court decision of 26 June 1997 rejected the Jehovah’s Witnesses application.

The rapidly growing number of Muslims in Germany (currently estimated at 2.4 million) do not appear to have reached a unified view about whether they wish to attain public law status. There is no unified Islamic identity in Germany. Only a small percentage of Muslims living in Germany are members of a Muslim association, and none of the Muslim organisations which do exist are public law corporations.

So what is the result of sanctioning one religion while denying another religion. If you're part of the rejected religion might that not result in even more extreme behavior?

[Roo]

From CNN, May 1, 2009:

A U.S. government panel listed 13 countries Friday as "egregious" violators of religious freedom.

The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom's annual report named Myanmar, North Korea, Eritrea, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan, China, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam.

It recommended that the Obama administration designate them as "countries of particular concern" or CPC.

The group has issued a watch list that includes Afghanistan, Belarus, Cuba, Egypt, Indonesia, Laos, Russia, Somalia, Tajikistan, Turkey, and Venezuela, countries that don't rise to the level of a CPC but need to be monitored.

24 "worst-offender" countries listed. 13 of them (~54%) are officially designated by their governments as Islamic Countries. If you want, you can have Nigeria because 51% of their population is Islamic. I won't give you Eritrea because they officially recognize Eritrean Orthodox Christianity, Sunni Islam, the Catholic Church, and Evangelical Lutheranism. They make the list because it is illegal to practice Baha'i, Jehovas Witness, presumably Buddhism, and others. Anyway, interesting list.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-01/u...m-act?_s=PM:US

[lxskllr]

The best thing to do with religion is ignore it. I'm undecided what I'd do about tax exempt status. Some religions do some good work, but much of it is huge money laundering scheme. If I were to allow the continuing exemptions, the paperwork itemizing the social work done(the only exemption they'd get) would be a nightmare. I'd be inclined to tax them like every other company.

[devilock76]

Muslim extremism usually starts at the ground level, with the express, or implied blessing of their preachers(whatever they're called). The threat of taking down their temple should be incentive to keep their people in control, and the individuals would be less likely to engage in terrorism if it risks bringing ruin unto their own kind.

Edit:
for the record, that applies to any religious organization. I don't give a shit what you do, as long as you keep it to yourself. I'll just as quickly take down a Christian church for abortion bombing, or whatever.

So in your opinion, if a musician sings about something, and people do it then the musician is to blame?

Ken

[lxskllr]

So in your opinion, if a musician sings about something, and people do it then the musician is to blame?

Ken

Yes, because they've gone beyond entertainment, and started evangelizing. I'd be interested in hearing of the musician that's spawned car bombers.

[devilock76]

Yes, because they've gone beyond entertainment, and started evangelizing. I'd be interested in hearing of the musician that's spawned car bombers.

Judas Priest was put on trial all because someone attempted suicide and tried to blame their lyrics. Are you saying you would have convicted in that case?

Ken

[devilock76]

Yes, because they've gone beyond entertainment, and started evangelizing. I'd be interested in hearing of the musician that's spawned car bombers.

And let us put this more in perspective let us say someone watches a film and does something depicted in that film, do we arrest the producer, the actor, or the director? See the thing is music and film are entertainment? How are they responsible for the actions of the crazies that might see their film. I am sure every musician out there has an equal mix of well adjusted and clinically depressed listeners under their fan base.

Ken

[lxskllr]

Judas Priest was put on trial all because someone attempted suicide and tried to blame their lyrics. Are you saying you would have convicted in that case?

Ken

That's an individual action that only affects the individual. This, as well as your second example aren't the same thing at all. The Muslims are more like the Manson family, and with that being the case; Yes, they'd be convicted.

[justintempler]

What I want to know is...
Everybody has heard of Al Queda and the Taliban, but how many have even heard of the Wahhabi sect of Islam?

Wahhabis come from Saudi Arabia (you know that country where most of the 911 terrorists came from)

...Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia ..."It is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews."(*Wahhabi interpretation)...The Saudi government established the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a state religious police unit, to enforce Wahhabi rules of behaviour...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi

Wahhabis are the fundamental extremists. Going off and fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't even begin to touch the problem, all we end up doing is creating new enemies that become ripe for recruitment by the Wahabbis.

All Muslims are not created equal. Attacking the wrong Muslims isn't helping solve the problem.

And how do Wahhabis get their money. Oil of course. We are our own worst enemy.

[lxskllr]

We definitely need to get away from oil. We got our first wake up call in the 70s, but were too stupid to see it.